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Hi all, I was diagnosed T2 3 weeks ago, with high blood pressure at the same time. My heads a shed, not sleeping, 2 hours a night, can't get my head round it, I have cut out all sugar, well as much as I can, food is a minefield. One thing I am happy about lost 8lbs in weight. I just don't understand the carbs and carbs of which are sugers, for instance a pot of weight watchers greek style yoghurt, per100g pot carbohydrate 5.9g of which sugers 5.7g is that good, or bad, can I eat them, oh god it's doing my head in. had a baked potato today for tea, with some cheese, not a lot, then read you shouldn't have baked tats to mmuch carbs. Please please help going mad.

thanks
Coopes
 
that was me back at the beginning of May... have got myself under control... blood pressure is now much reduced and have lost 28 lbs...

the yoghurt is fine at only 6 grams of carbs per hundred... just don't go mad on it... it's the potatoes and bread etc. that's the real bad carbs...

Daisy will be along real soon with her fine guidance for newbies.. so all I can say is welcome to the forum and look on your diabetes as a wake up call and it's an opportunity to get your life turned around now before too late.
 
Hi Coopes, welcome to the forum, you have come to the right place! Daisy will be along in a minute to post the advise given to all new members to the forum ... I understand why you are confused, but if you can cut back on your carbs and increase your protein and fat intake (it seems crazy but its true) you will bring your blood glucose under control and should probably lose some weight.

At first it feels like information overload when you are here but you will learn lots and everyone is ready to help!

Welcome and good luck
 
Hi Paul thanks for the info, Bread does this include brown bread, been told its ok as with brown rice, is this true. got a lot to learn.

Coopes
 
Hi Coopes and welcome to the forum. Joining our merry band has been your first step to getting your Diabetes under control.

Like Paul I too was in the same position as you. Panicking, not sure what to do for the best, not sleeping and feeling as though my world had been turned upside down. 6 months down the line I have lost over 5st and got my Blood Glucose levels down to almost non-diabetic levels.

Try to believe that you will get through this. We have soooo much information on here, and the members are so helpful and supportive you will soon be feeling better in yourself and more able to cope. When you have read Daisy's post and had a look around the forum you are bound to have questions and I promise one of us will be here to help.

Jo

Oh and most breads, and rice have quite a lot of carbs but don't panic and start starving yourself. Your diabetes didn't start overnight so taking a while to get your head around what is safer to eat won't send you levels skyward. <<<<hugs>>>>>
 
Coopes, if you have been told by your Dr or Diabetic Nurse that you should be eating carbs with every meal, e.g. brown rice, bread and pasta then I would suggest that this is not necessarily the best advice you have ever had. I was given that advice when first diagnosed and followed it (more or less) and slowly my diabetes symptoms got worse. After 2 years my medication was increased and I was feeling really ill. In July 12 I found this forum and started to eat a low carb high fat diet, which has changed my life (Big thanks forum peeps!!). I have lost 1 stone 4 lbs, my blood glucose readings have come right down and I have got bags of energy!!

Do you have a Blood Glucose meter? I would recommend you get one - you can try at your Doctors but many members have found that Doctors refuse to provide meters, and will almost certainly refuse to give you testing strips which are needed to make the meter work. If not you can buy cheap ones on Amazon. Check out the price of the test strip refills before you buy the meter, because thats how the pharma companies make money, some are shockingly expensive!
 
Hi and welcome coopes - don't worry about your head you will get there ! when I first got here I thought mine was going to explode but slowly things will fall into place :)
Also ask any questions, there is always someone around to help

I would also 2nd Fraddys advice of getting yourself a meter - I found it invaluable for understanding what I could and couldn't eat and you will know if you can eat brown rice etc 'cos you'll have the results 2 hours after, that way you can start to formulate some kind of menu to live by

well done for the weight loss and good luck with your continued low carbing
 
Hi Coopes and welcome! It's not as hard as you think once you get a system going
In general terms you will need to reduce the total number of carbohydrates you eat per day. All carbohydrates turn to sugar when we eat them, and no type 2 diabetic on diet only, or on diet and metformin only, can control their blood sugars (BGs) without controlling their carb intake. Even those on strong medication normally choose to control their carb intake to keep the level of medication they take down. The total number of carbs per day you can eat depends on how advanced your diabetes is. It’s perhaps worth starting at about 50% of normal levels for a non-diabetic then adjusting up or down according to how you get on. So that means eating 150 grams of carbs per day for a man, 125 for a womaFn. You can read the total carb content of food under “nutritional info” on the packet or wrapping, or look it up on the internet for loose food. Just google “carb content..”
You also need to stop or reduce the bad carbs; that is the starchy ones that make your BG go up quickly.
So obviously no sugar or glucose! But also no white bread, white rice, pasta, flour products like pastry, cake and batter. You can eat a little basmati rice, wholewheat pasta or the tri-color pasta fusilli ones in small quantities. Boiled new potatos (again not too many) are OK but not old pots mashed, boiled or in their jackets. (Roast is not so bad, the fat slows their absorption and conversion to glucose in the blood) Amongst other veg, parsnips are about the worst for BG, and carrots not great but ok in smaller amounts.
Multi grain bread (not wholemeal) is not SO bad, but lots of us eat Burgen soya and linseed bread from tescos and sainsburys, although all bread should be in limited amounts.
All fruit has carbohydrates, and needs to be included in the amounts of carbs you eat in a day. For most people, bananas are about the worst for pushing our BG up and berries (like strawberries, raspberries etc) are the least bad.
No sweeties!
Exercise is important. I tend to exercise about an hour after eating when I know my BG will be peaking. This helps to bring it down quicker and further. I do ten minutes hard work on an exercise machine, but you could run up and down stairs for ten minutes or go for a brisk walk.
Returning to types of food and quantities of carbs - you can only find out how many you can eat by testing. Most type 2’s are not given access to testing equipment, so you should get your own – although try arguing with your Doc that you want to manage to NICE guideline blood sugar levels, and can’t do that without testing! If you have to buy a meter, they are cheap and most manufacturers will give them away for free. They make their money on the strips you have to use! So go for the meter with the cheapest testing strips. The SD Codefree available on the internet is about the cheapest at the moment. Some people test before and after eating, on waking (fasting test) and before bed. But if you have limited strips because of cost, the key to me is testing 2 hours after eating. If your BG is above, say, 7.8 at that stage, you need to cut down on the carb content the next time you have that meal. Test after various different meals and you soon get to see a pattern of what you can and can’t eat, and in what quantities. Keep careful records of what you ate and when, together with the result, so you can refer back at a later date. You can then reduce your testing. I said “below, say, 7.8” because NICE guidelines are below 8.5 but most of us think that’s a little high. 7.8 is the max. level at 2 hours after eating that a non-diabetic normally gets to so is perhaps a better target. Some then set progressively lower targets.
Do ask lots of questions; there is normally an answer on here. The more you get to learn about your diabetes, the better it will be.
Good luck!
 
Hi Coopes and welcome to the forum :)

In addition to the advice you have already received, here is the advice we give to new members. I hope it will be helpful to you. Ask as many questions as you like as there is always someone who can help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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Please sign our e-petition for free testing for all type 2's; here's the link:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/petition/

Do get your friends and colleagues to sign as well.
 
Thank you all for the information, gosh what a lot to think about. after being on here last night 18th Sept 2012 I slept the best I have slept since I found out, got a lot to learn.

Coopes.
 
Hi all, got my codefree meter this morning, as suggested. Just tried it for the first time. levels down from 8.7 to 6.8 well happy. :D
 
Good result Coopes. Very nice to see that happy smile. :)
 
Coopes said:
Hi all, got my codefree meter this morning, as suggested. Just tried it for the first time. levels down from 8.7 to 6.8 well happy. :D

That's brilliant Coopes, well done!!
 
Coopes said:
Thank you all for the information, gosh what a lot to think about. after being on here last night 18th Sept 2012 I slept the best I have slept since I found out, got a lot to learn.

Coopes.

Hi Coopes, glad you had a good sleep and you got your meter sorted. I'm just getting to grips with it all myself and after 6 weeks since diagnosis I feel like I've done a crash course in the 'Do's and Don'ts and Pros and Cons of Diabetes'. I think the first weeks are pretty intense because we want to know what to do and not sure which information to follow. But the forum has been a life saver for me where information and support is concerned. In fact, I wouldn't have known where to start without it. I'm feeling so much better in just 6 weeks and it's not all down to Metformin, it's down to good advice and information and the support to trust my own judgement. I wish you well ... :wave:
 
Hi GreceK.
You are right, the first weeks a very intense, if it wasn't for this place I would still be worrying,
But like most things in life you just have to get on with it.
I must be doing something right my levels are down, I'm losing weight and am eating three meals a day.
From today Monday 24th I am on 2 Metformin a day, not happy about taking tablets, but the nurse says it's the best way.
Good luck with your diabetes.

All the best

Coopes.
 
Coopes said:
Hi GreceK.
You are right, the first weeks a very intense, if it wasn't for this place I would still be worrying,
But like most things in life you just have to get on with it.
I must be doing something right my levels are down, I'm losing weight and am eating three meals a day.
From today Monday 24th I am on 2 Metformin a day, not happy about taking tablets, but the nurse says it's the best way.
Good luck with your diabetes.

All the best

Coopes.


Hi all started on my 2 tablets per day of Metformin on Monday, today I have started with diarrhea, do I let this run (no pun intended) or report it to my DN, she did say I may get it but no advise if I did!
 
Coopes said:
Coopes said:
Hi GreceK.
You are right, the first weeks a very intense, if it wasn't for this place I would still be worrying,
But like most things in life you just have to get on with it.
I must be doing something right my levels are down, I'm losing weight and am eating three meals a day.
From today Monday 24th I am on 2 Metformin a day, not happy about taking tablets, but the nurse says it's the best way.
Good luck with your diabetes.

All the best

Coopes.


Hi all started on my 2 tablets per day of Metformin on Monday, today I have started with diarrhea, do I let this run (no pun intended) or report it to my DN, she did say I may get it but no advise if I did!

:lol: :lol: :lol: Love the unintentional pun ... they're always the best ones.

Firstly what dosage of Metformin are you taking? Are you taking ONE a day for a week, and then TWO a day for the following week? And are you taking them WITH your evening meal?
 
Hi 2 500mg a day 1 in a morning with food the other one with evening meal,
this is my second week so started to take the evening one on Monday.
think I will give it while the end of the week then contact DN, to see what she says.

thanks for the reply.

Coopes
 
Coopes said:
Hi 2 500mg a day 1 in a morning with food the other one with evening meal,
this is my second week so started to take the evening one on Monday.
think I will give it while the end of the week then contact DN, to see what she says.

thanks for the reply.

Coopes

I already have gastric problems for which I take another medication every day but I started on 500mg a day for Week 1, then increased to 2 x 500mg for Week 2, then another 500mg for Week 3 but I didn't have any side effects at all and I always took them halfway through my meal so that I knew they were cushioned by food in my tummy. But then when I went to the doctor she put me on Metformin SR which is slow release and better for your tummy.

If I had the runs every day since starting the meds I'd get on to the doctor and let them know and they'll probably give you the Metformin SR instead. They always try you on the ordinary ones first because they're a bit cheaper. Give them a ring and tell em you're living in the loo, I'm sure they'll give you the Met SR instead. :)
 
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