• Guest - w'd love to know what you think about the forum! Take the 2025 Survey »

Newby's problems

jennygee

Member
Messages
20
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
Hello to the diabetes forum members! I was diagnosed in January with Type 2 after a routine blood test. I am still trying to come to terms with the fact that I have a life long condition and I am struggling! I am 78 years old and currently on diet alone. I am determined to be in control and to this end have obtained a blood glucose meter with the approval of my G.P. What I don't understand is what levels I should be aiming for, when and how often to test. Currently I have had fasting levels of 7.5, 7.5 and 7.4 on subsequent days, but am uncertain what to do next! I have attended two education sessions and the third and last is scheduled for four weeks time. I would like to show the leader of the session a clear layout of urine and blood levels I have taken over these few weeks. I would appreciate any advice on how to proceed.
Many thanks
 
Welcome

I have tagged @daisy1 who'll be along with a great advice sheet for "beginners"

It will (probably / maybe) come back to diet and exercise, but read the advice, ask away (there is ALWAYS someone to help) and you are in the right place
 
@jennygee

Hello Jenny and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members which I think you will find useful. Ask as many questions from the members as you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi jennygee,

I was diagnosed dec, agreed with dr to try diet only. I'll get another set of blood tests in 3 months and hopefully that will show progress, has your gp mentioned when they will test again? One helpful thing I learnt in last few weeks through reading posts here is that though it is likely that levels may come down through diet and exercise, (though varies how much from person to person) even if carbs reduced quite a lot, it can take a while, so am using metre and seeing some progress in blood sugar levels (and on the scales!) but also learning to be patient!

All the very best

D
 
Hi @jennygee welcome :)

We can help you manage this. Have a read of the top item in my sig below, and eleswhere, and ask any questions.
 
Hi Jenny and welcome,

Great news you got your doctor's approval and a meter! Very untypical for type 2's.

You can use it in 2 ways.

First to keep an eye on levels generally, so a morning fasting test is best for this.

Secondly to test out which foods/meals are no longer suitable for you personally. You can test immediately before you eat and then again 2 hours after your first bite. The rise from before to after should show you what that food has done to your blood glucose. By keeping a food diary including portion sizes and recording your readings alongside, you will see patterns emerging. The aim is to keep any rise to less than 2mmol/l. (ideally less than 1.5mmol/l but this may be difficult at first) More than that and there were too many carbs in that meal, which need reducing either in portion size or avoiding altogether. As everyone spikes after eating, including non-diabetics, another aim is for your spike to be on its way down at 2 hours, and to calculate this, you can do a test at 1 hour after eating as well as 2 hours.

Good luck
 
Hello Jenny and welcome.
I was diagnosed last year age 73.
You were realy fortunate to get a meter.
I have got lots of help from this forum and now got my blood sugars down to a good level,mine were higher than yours,between 8 and twelve.Im between 5 and 8 now,I spent a lot of time reading round,If I posted a question someone would help,dont be afraid to ask.
 
Hi and welcome!

You've had some great advice from the others.

The only other thing I can suggest is that you keep reading the forum, and if possible, posting.
It all seems very overwhelming to start with, but the more you read, and discuss, and test, the clearer everything becomes.
 
Thank you to everyone who has offered advice. I am still confused, but realise that eventually it will all make sense!
Can anyone suggest how to reduce my fasting levels? Today's was 7.5 yet again. I think perhaps I am expecting too much too soon as far as reducing the levels is concerned but will carry on with diet and exercise in the hope of better levels to come.......
Jenny
 
Hi again Jenny,

Our morning fasting levels are usually the last to come down because of what is known as the Dawn Phenomenon or Liver Dump. There are plenty of threads about this, and a lot of information on the internet. Our livers produce and dump glucose in our bloodstream at certain times when the liver thinks we need extra energy, usually to get up and start the day, and also at other times if we go too long between meals, or during exercise. This is a natural event, it happens to most people including non-diabetics. Look on it as our livers looking after our well being. As our insulin resistance improves, so the liver dumps will decrease a bit. Other things also come into play such as how well we have slept - a restless night can play havoc with our levels. Another reason is sometimes protein kicking in, as that can also cause rises but much later than carbs - very much later sometimes.

One way of testing to see if it is a liver dump of some sort is to test at bedtime and then see how much you go up overnight.

Also, it is important to test immediately you get up and before you start pottering about.
 
Hi. No worries, just progress a day at a time. Getting a meter is a good start, and the approval of your GP is a bonus. 7.5 is ok while you digest the above guidelines and then ask more questions, depending on whether you also need to lose weight. You will probably be testing before and after meals as well, and adjusting your diet, and considering how much exercise you take. All will come clear!
 
Hi again Jenny,

Our morning fasting levels are usually the last to come down because of what is known as the Dawn Phenomenon or Liver Dump. There are plenty of threads about this, and a lot of information on the internet. Our livers produce and dump glucose in our bloodstream at certain times when the liver thinks we need extra energy, usually to get up and start the day, and also at other times if we go too long between meals, or during exercise. This is a natural event, it happens to most people including non-diabetics. Look on it as our livers looking after our well being. As our insulin resistance improves, so the liver dumps will decrease a bit. Other things also come into play such as how well we have slept - a restless night can play havoc with our levels. Another reason is sometimes protein kicking in, as that can also cause rises but much later than carbs - very much later sometimes.

One way of testing to see if it is a liver dump of some sort is to test at bedtime and then see how much you go up overnight.

Also, it is important to test immediately you get up and before you start pottering about.
Thank you for the advice. I will keep testing!
 
Thanks Kat! I can see how supportive all members are. I realise there is always help available, and I am grateful for the support.
Jenny
 
Back
Top