'Newcastle diet' advice

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Today at work I really fancied a big sandwich - brown bread with ham and tomato and lettuce and cucumber and mayo - hard to watch others tuck in! And then there was the lemon drizzle cake made by a colleague! Today has been a hard day to be good. When sipping my lunch time soup.

There is a recipe for Lemon Drizzle Cake in the Diabetes UK 'Desserts' cookbook.

Perhaps I shouldn't mention it ....



J.

 

[miriamy]

Jack
thanks good idea i will consider going a bit further with weight loss, chlf is low cal high fat?
thanks
Kim

Lchf means low carb high fat.

Eating and exercising my way from manic to moderate Miriam.... and a steady blood glucose.

 

[paulins]

Aha! Will find the recipe in the cookbook! Thanks.

So, DESMOND day was on Tuesday. Very mixed feelings. I just could not believe that many of the people there have known for months that they are diabetic and have done absolutely nothing to find out about this disease and how to deal with it. The organisers provided free biscuits for us all day! They recommended the 'plate' with a third carbohydrates. Told us we could drink the same as non-diabetics but should not go over the daily recommended limit. I was really quite depressed after it and the final straw was the woman who complained all day that she could not understand why her GP had not simply given her the tablets. We had to take our lunch, and almost everyone pulled out a big pack of ... Sandwiches! This seems like a conspiracy to me - why are they not telling us that carbs are our enemy? That we are all responsible for ourselves. That we need to read everything we can and ask questions. This degree of learned helplessness is profoundly depressing.




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[Spiker]

It is depressing. They start from the assumption that patients are children, in general if not in every case, and they have to work with the general case. That patients won't try to change their behaviour or won't succeed in changing, so telling them the truth will just create a need for costly support of doomed efforts, and demoralisation for all involved. :-(

So instead we are told a fairy story they think we can handle, something not too scary and not too challenging, but that is better than doing nothing.

 

[kimyeomans]

Aha! Will find the recipe in the cookbook! Thanks.

So, DESMOND day was on Tuesday. Very mixed feelings. I just could not believe that many of the people there have known for months that they are diabetic and have done absolutely nothing to find out about this disease and how to deal with it. The organisers provided free biscuits for us all day! They recommended the 'plate' with a third carbohydrates. Told us we could drink the same as non-diabetics but should not go over the daily recommended limit. I was really quite depressed after it and the final straw was the woman who complained all day that she could not understand why her GP had not simply given her the tablets. We had to take our lunch, and almost everyone pulled out a big pack of ... Sandwiches! This seems like a conspiracy to me - why are they not telling us that carbs are our enemy? That we are all responsible for ourselves. That we need to read everything we can and ask questions. This degree of learned helplessness is profoundly depressing.




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Hi paulins
Ah yes the Desmond day, so long ago for me now but I remember the same issues, lots of ignorance apathy and misconceptions, and not all from the attendees! But you have done very well, 4st since Jan, BS in the 5's..
I share the frustration. I just had my review with Doc after 10 weeks of Newcastling, he had no interest in it, until today! 6.6 Hba1c which for me is a good result after 8.4 10 weeks ago. On the Doc's scales, last weight 102 kgs now 89kgs. BP still up a bit 140 / 80 but he exasperated me by giving me a diet sheet, after what I just did???? no wonder BP is up. has been 120 / 80 at home. No reduction in meds but have another look in 3 mths
I will have a break from Newcastle for a couple of weeks but stay sensible, monitor bloods weight and BP, to stabilise or lose slowly then give it another kick just before hols in the summer.
Keep it up Newcastlers...!!

Kim

 

[paulins]

Hurrah! Now moved from obese to overweight! Never thought I'd be happy to say that!

 

[Brightside]

Kim Paulins you are the best! Well done and keep going!

The Newcastle diet is / was a study and showed that weight loss helps diabetes type 2! Which conversely proves that type two is in effect a fat mans disease!

So losing weight will be of benefit!

Now you can lose it fast ie 800 Kcals a day plus a shake over 8 weeks, or more gradually over a longer period! I've chosen the later but it's more of a lifestyle change!

So what is my secret
Im calorie counting and use one of those scanning apps such as nutra check or myfitnesspal.
They're programmed for 1kg per week of weight loss.
For a fatty like me that's 2100 Kcals per day I can eat!
This is easy to maintain and some days....very few ...I find I actually have some cals left over to consume!
I eat most everything, but often check first to see the impact on my limit ie if the cals are too many then I either reduce the amount or discard.
Exercise....this is a must! I run for 3km every second day...we must remember it's all about the metabolism, and our bodies sugar/glucose/insulin metabolism is up the creek! So how to stimulate the metabolism? Exercise exercise exercise! Get that blood pumping! I've also started cycling on weekends!
Don't worry if you fall off the wagon....tomorrow go for a run again and eat your calories....it's only an issue if you make it a habit!

Results so far!
3stone in a year that's down from 123 kg to 102kg yesterday
Fitter healthier and sleep better
Blood glucose down from 19 to never above 6 fasting
Have stopped the meds medformin and cliczlazide (my gp is going to go ballistic)
Discipline which I find is easy....I either kill the disease, cause if I don't it will kill me!
Also I don't want to be on meds for the rest of my life!
Aim....to weigh in at 90 Kgs that's 12kgs to go!


I think it's all about weight loss and exercise....how you do it is not important, it's that you shed the weight that is!

Sorry if I sound a bit like I'm gloating, but I can tell you it's a big achievement for me! ) in fact I am able to fly gliders again, a passion of mine I could not pursue since 10 yrs due to being over the weight limit!

Ah yes then there's that thing with the missus, she's chuffed that I'm back to the weight I was when we first met.....until I asked her if we can go back to having sex again like we had back then....





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[Pipp]

Aha! Will find the recipe in the cookbook! Thanks.

So, DESMOND day was on Tuesday. Very mixed feelings. I just could not believe that many of the people there have known for months that they are diabetic and have done absolutely nothing to find out about this disease and how to deal with it. The organisers provided free biscuits for us all day! They recommended the 'plate' with a third carbohydrates. Told us we could drink the same as non-diabetics but should not go over the daily recommended limit. I was really quite depressed after it and the final straw was the woman who complained all day that she could not understand why her GP had not simply given her the tablets. We had to take our lunch, and almost everyone pulled out a big pack of ... Sandwiches! This seems like a conspiracy to me - why are they not telling us that carbs are our enemy? That we are all responsible for ourselves. That we need to read everything we can and ask questions. This degree of learned helplessness is profoundly depressing.




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When I was diagnosed, 9 years ago, I think I sort of went into denial. This now strikes me as being extremely weird, and so unlike me, as I am known for analysing everything to the nth degree. I had worked in health service, and seen the sort of damage poorly controlled diabetes can do, even within my own family.
This state of denial was, I believe, mainly due to the information I was given, and the attitude of the medical professionals I saw at the time, ( GP and practice nurse). I don't know if the DESMOND course was available then, but I was not offered one. Instead, the practice nurse told me that a blood test showed I had diabetes, a lifelong condition, but I would be prescribed metformin to control it, and given a blood monitor to use. She even smiled and said "oh, well, good news is you qualify for free prescriptions". I think this approach made me think perhaps the sort of diabetes I had was mild version and I would be somehow 'immune' to the sort of complications I had seen in others. Totally illogical thinking, as I had experience of caring for relatives who had diabetic complications. I can only think that as a lot of other very stressful things were going on at the time my judgement was clouded.

I now have a different GP and nurse who have supported me in my quest to reverse or at least slow the progress of my diabetes. The onus was on me though to research and try to apply the findings to my own situation. It was a chance conversation with a doctor at the NHS weight management service who mentioned that diabetic patients who had bariatric surgery to lose weight had non-diabetic blood glucose within days of having surgery, due to severe restriction in calorie intake. I queried why this could not be done without the drastic, and expensive, surgery. Thankfully, prof Taylor and his team at Newcastle University were, at that time, carrying out research in the very same topic.

I have asked my current practice nurse why the softly softly approach had been used by the previous nurse. She replied that from experience most people cannot cope with knowing the potential damage diabetes can cause. Also, many are not motivated to make changes to their diet and lifestyles. So, should this be a reason to keep people in ignorance? I think not. Sadly, it is only those who have the ability to think for themselves and read, research and question. People need to be given an opportunity to take responsibility for their own health, but unless they have all the facts many will, as I was, believe all will be well, with a slight tweek to diet and some tablet. If I had been told on diagnosis that I could help myself a bit more then I would not have been so complacement. Luckily, I seem to have avoided so far any complications, and I am making an effort to stay that way, but I despair that so many people are being fobbed off with information, or even non-information that can ultimately do them not good.

 

[Pipp]

Now Paulins, go easy on the reading, rest those eyes ready to get on with exercise next week.

 

[paulins]

Will do! Having nice quite weekend then back to work.,.

Scary stuff having anything done to the eyes but seeing well now. Roll on Thursday. Seem to have put on 0.5 lbs overnight though have stuck rigidly to the diet. How frustrating. Must need the exercise.


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[Pipp]

Will do! Having nice quite weekend then back to work.,.

Scary stuff having anything done to the eyes but seeing well now. Roll on Thursday. Seem to have put on 0.5 lbs overnight though have stuck rigidly to the diet. How frustrating. Must need the exercise.


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Paulins
You have done remarkably well. Half a pound is nothing when you look at the bigger, (or in your case, smaller) picture.
You are inspiring me to keep going
Pipp

 

[miriamy]

Exercise does seem to make all the difference for me

Eating and exercising my way from manic to moderate Miriam.... and a steady blood glucose.

 

[andcol]

Will do! Having nice quite weekend then back to work.,.

Scary stuff having anything done to the eyes but seeing well now. Roll on Thursday. Seem to have put on 0.5 lbs overnight though have stuck rigidly to the diet. How frustrating. Must need the exercise.

Don't worry about half a pound - just put it down to a cup of tea or that you have been building extra muscle. I had a longish spell where my weight went up by a lb and stayed there for quite some time and then all of a sudden it went down by 3 lbs overnight (no rhyme or reason). Keep on going as it is good only being overweight - rofl - isn't it.

 

[paulins]

Yes it is good to be able to wear nice clothes again. I still have a fair amount to go (about 2 st) but nice to think have now lost 59 lbs. Looking forward to the treadmill - not words I thought I would ever say! Just need to get rid of the flabby stomach now.


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[andcol]

have nearly overtaken me, I am at -60lbs now. I have 1.5 stone and I will be happily under 12 stone. I give it a week and I will be following in your footsteps I know what you mean about the treadmill.

 

[paulins]

I realise from reading these posts that many of you exercise after eating, not before. I have been exercising then eating. Seems counter-intuitive to do it the other way round. But, is that what I should have been doing?

Also - I watched a VERY interesting post with two doctors being interviewed and answering all my questions, but I can't for the life of me find it again. Can anyone help? Wish I'd bookmarked it!

 

[Pipp]

I realise from reading these posts that many of you exercise after eating, not before. I have been exercising then eating. Seems counter-intuitive to do it the other way round. But, is that what I should have been doing?

Also - I watched a VERY interesting post with two doctors being interviewed and answering all my questions, but I can't for the life of me find it again. Can anyone help? Wish I'd bookmarked it!

Paulins

I think timing of exercise and eating would depend on type and intensity of exercise and what you were going to eat.
My exercise in generally swimming or aquafit, around 45 minutes duration. Not a good idea to have a full stomach before that. On Newcastle diet I make sure I have had a small amount of meal replacement drink about an hour before, take a bottle of water to sip during exercise, then have rest of meal replacement drink about an hour after.

Pipp

 

[paulins]

Paulins

I think timing of exercise and eating would depend on type and intensity of exercise and what you were going to eat.
My exercise in generally swimming or aquafit, around 45 minutes duration. Not a good idea to have a full stomach before that. On Newcastle diet I make sure I have had a small amount of meal replacement drink about an hour before, take a bottle of water to sip during exercise, then have rest of meal replacement drink about an hour after.

Pipp

That's helpful Pipp, thank you.

 

[andcol]

I often eat before or after. But after does allow you to directly target levels

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[paulins]

I often eat before or after. But after does allow you to directly target levels

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Think that when I can resume exercising I will try both and see what happens to me and my levels. Eyes are healing very nicely (according to the surgeon) so should be OK on Thursday to get back on the treadmill. Will also be good to be able to wash my own hair again!