• Guest - w'd love to know what you think about the forum! Take the 2025 Survey »

'Newcastle diet' advice

Andrew and Paulins

I am so grateful to you both for your encouragement and sharing info.
I maybe need to be a bit more open about myself. I find it difficult to share personal info but I am prepared to risk it. If it is boring you please feel free to ignore.
I was diagnosed T2 aged 50. I weighed 144kg. Prescribed metformin 500mg 3 times a day. Also blood glucose monitor, fasting reading in morning varied between 8.4 and 11.6. Referred to weight management clinic and started exercising in water once a week, on low fat diet. Later increased exercise to 2 or 3 times a week. After 3 years of this I still weighed 137kg and was offered bariatric surgery. I refused this and queried why if patients having this surgery had normal blood glucose readings within days, could I not just follow their diet without the surgery. I was told I would not be able to, as I would be hungry all the time. Searching for any evidence that it could be done I came across Prof Taylor's research. It was in the early stages, and there was not as much info available as now. Six years after my T2diagnosis I persuaded my GP to let me try it. I was to scared to do it alone. He agreed, as long as I was monitored by the surgery or pharmacist. I was not aware that the first Newcastle trial participants had supplemented the diet with vegetables, and was using Lipotrim, which gave approx 600 calories a day. So that was what I did, just the Lipotrim products as prescribed, and lots of water.

I began Newcastle regime in September 2011. I stayed on Lipotrim for 9 weeks to start. Within days I was having fasting BG readings around 4.8, and even the post prandial readings were normal. BG levels have remained stable within non-diabetic range since. After the initial 9 weeks I repeated the diet for another 6 weeks. This was more to lose weight than to control BG, although I was worried that as I was still obese the better BG might be temporary.

My lowest weight recently has been in May 2012, when I was 95 kg. 49kg less than when I was first diagnosed. Since then, although I have been ill, had two major operations with complications, and gained some weight, (was112kg a few weeks ago) BG has stayed below diabetic levels. I want to stay that way, which is why I have started Newcastling again. Alarmed by a slightly raised recent HbA1c of 41 recently. I must emphasise my surgery was not diabetes related, it was to repair damage due to previous surgery years ago.

I would be interested to know if there is anyone else who has maintained non-diabetic BG for a significant length of time, following Newcastle diet, despite still being obese.

My original motivation was the sheer terror of having complications of diabetes. My motivation now is a worry that having perhaps removed some of the risks, through gaining weight I am inviting those risks back into my life.
Thanking you both, and striving to achieve sensible weightloss to the level you have.
Pipp
You're a star Pip! Go girl!!


Sent from the Diabetes Forum App
 
Great idea Pipp, let's all sign up for (half) marathon for next year

K


Sent from the Diabetes Forum App
Mistaken identity methinks! Only way I could do any distance road racing would be on mobility scooter.
Now, when I get back into training I could take on anyone in the swimming pool. I used to do a mile every morning before work just for tne hell of it?
Pipp
 
@paulins are you still on the low calorie diet or have you increased it now? If you increased it what did you eat extra to provide extra calories? If you are still on low calorie then I don;t have any idea how I will stay ahead of you so it will become you <--- me <---pipp However, I read a post of someone else this week who is so far ahead of us in the process. Just wish I could remember who it was. There is one more that we should be in awe of and that is @AndBreathe as she is just so far ahead of us and there is no way I will ever be at her levels. She will have to become your next target.

@Pipp My nurse said that at my surgery they monitor the gastric band people for 3 years before they take them off the register. I am not sure she had come across anyone doing what we have before.
But, but, but,........... I can only dream of a Magnum ice cream.








That said, mangoes are just coming into season, so the frozen mango daiquiris are in serious peril, triple sec and all.
 
Oh wow @Pipp so when it comes down to it - you are our leader and we bow down and salute you. Very well done
 
Mistaken identity methinks! Only way I could do any distance road racing would be on mobility scooter.
Now, when I get back into training I could take on anyone in the swimming pool. I used to do a mile every morning before work just for tne hell of it?
Pipp
Sorry Pipp you are right meant to respond to Paulins, but swim sounds good... Can't do the starlight, wrong gender!
K


Sent from the Diabetes Forum App
 
So, resumed exercise yesterday and this morning fasting BG level was 5.8! Highest for weeks! Ate nothing with sugar or carbs!
 
Oh wow @Pipp so when it comes down to it - you are our leader and we bow down and salute you. Very well done
No, no, no, Andrew.
I have well maintained, low BG, am 30 ish kg lighter than when I started, but still obese, and seem stuck there.
I want to be just overweight like you and Paulins.
 
So, resumed exercise yesterday and this morning fasting BG level was 5.8! Highest for weeks! Ate nothing with sugar or carbs!
Paulins
Remind me, which meal replacement products do you use? Also, have you been doing Newcastle continuously since January?
Please don't get too hung up on BG. numbers. Wait and see what the next HbA1c is.
 
Paulins
Remind me, which meal replacement products do you use? Also, have you been doing Newcastle continuously since January?
Please don't get too hung up on BG. numbers. Wait and see what the next HbA1c is.


I looked at them all and finally bought 'Shake that Weight' - it had the lowest sugar, carbs and contains the whole range of nutrients and vitamins. My GP said it was fine. I also bought a good vitamin supplement from Boots, and take one every morning - just to be sure! I have been doing the Newcastle diet since diagnosis at the end of January. Normally weigh myself on Mondays, but jumped on scales this morning and have lost a pound! So, hopefully another one by Monday. 3 more lbs to go, and then I'll have a different number at the beginning. (1.e. 12 st ... and not 13 st something!). That will be great!

Pipp - will try really hard not to obsess about numbers.
 
Th
I looked at them all and finally bought 'Shake that Weight' - it had the lowest sugar, carbs and contains the whole range of nutrients and vitamins. My GP said it was fine. I also bought a good vitamin supplement from Boots, and take one every morning - just to be sure! I have been doing the Newcastle diet since diagnosis at the end of January. Normally weigh myself on Mondays, but jumped on scales this morning and have lost a pound! So, hopefully another one by Monday. 3 more lbs to go, and then I'll have a different number at the beginning. (1.e. 12 st ... and not 13 st something!). That will be great!

Pipp - will try really hard not to obsess about numbers.
Thanks for that Paulins. To carry on since January is amazing willpower.
I am wondering if I should change from Tesco Ultraslim. Been using it 3 weeks. First week lost 2.5kg, second week 1.5kg, this week I weigh same as last week. I have two weeks supply of the stuff in the cupboard now though. With Lipotrim, on my previous Newcastling the weight loss was really rapid. the blood glucose readings were normal within days. I am not sure I could face the rigid not food regime of Lipotrim again, though I am considering it. Not so much for the BG more to kick start weight loss again. Maybe Newcastle is not the right way for me now I have stable BG? I am at a bit of a loss as to what to do next. I have been exercising more, and only eating veg and the Ultraslim. Ok so I weigh 4kg less than I did 3 weeks ago, but I could have achieved that with exercise and real food.

Sorry if this sounds like self pity. I know lots of you guys would be happy with not losing weight in exchange for normal BG readings. I am just worried that if I don't get weight to a more normal level, the diabetic BG levels with return.

I intend to continue with Newcastle, and review next week.

Thanks everyone for your encouragement and support.
Pipp
 
@paulins Now you are the same weight as me so you will overtake me this weekend. Go Go.... :D

You may be finding it more difficult as your body does not like to shift the fat under the skin and uses this up last and slowly. Watch out for muscle breakdown. You don't want that to start happening.
 
Make sure you eat enough protein which you probably are from your shakes
 
Thanks Andrew. Treadmill after work - day 2 back on it!


Sent from the Diabetes Forum App
 
I looked at them all and finally bought 'Shake that Weight' - it had the lowest sugar, carbs and contains the whole range of nutrients and vitamins. My GP said it was fine. I also bought a good vitamin supplement from Boots, and take one every morning - just to be sure! I have been doing the Newcastle diet since diagnosis at the end of January. Normally weigh myself on Mondays, but jumped on scales this morning and have lost a pound! So, hopefully another one by Monday. 3 more lbs to go, and then I'll have a different number at the beginning. (1.e. 12 st ... and not 13 st something!). That will be great!

Pipp - will try really hard not to obsess about numbers.
Just read this again, Paulins. Sorry don't wish to be alarmist, but if the Shake that weight' products have the whole range of nutrients and vitamins is it really necessary to take a multivitamin as well?
Overdose of vitamins can cause problems with the liver.
Well done with the pound loss. I am so envious.
Pipp
 
Back
Top