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'Newcastle diet' advice

Pipp said:
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Thanks for that Paulins. To carry on since January is amazing willpower.
I am wondering if I should change from Tesco Ultraslim. Been using it 3 weeks. First week lost 2.5kg, second week 1.5kg, this week I weigh same as last week. I have two weeks supply of the stuff in the cupboard now though. With Lipotrim, on my previous Newcastling the weight loss was really rapid. the blood glucose readings were normal within days. I am not sure I could face the rigid not food regime of Lipotrim again, though I am considering it. Not so much for the BG more to kick start weight loss again. Maybe Newcastle is not the right way for me now I have stable BG? I am at a bit of a loss as to what to do next. I have been exercising more, and only eating veg and the Ultraslim. Ok so I weigh 4kg less than I did 3 weeks ago, but I could have achieved that with exercise and real food.

Sorry if this sounds like self pity. I know lots of you guys would be happy with not losing weight in exchange for normal BG readings. I am just worried that if I don't get weight to a more normal level, the diabetic BG levels with return.

I intend to continue with Newcastle, and review next week.

Thanks everyone for your encouragement and support.
Pipp
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4 kg in 3 weeks is great going Pipp and if the loss had been spread evenly over the 3 weeks you would be more buoyant than you are now.

You don't sound self pitying at all, just a little disheartened and that's what we're here for... To listen and give Pipp a pep talk ;-).

Try not to think of what might happen because that will lead to anxiety. Think about what IS happening. You're losing weight and controlling your BG levels.

Well done dear!



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peacetrain said:
4 kg in 3 weeks is great going Pipp and if the loss had been spread evenly over the 3 weeks you would be more buoyant than you are now.

You don't sound self pitying at all, just a little disheartened and that's what we're here for... To listen and give Pipp a pep talk ;-).

Try not to think of what might happen because that will lead to anxiety. Think about what IS happening. You're losing weight and controlling your BG levels.

Well done dear!



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Cheers, peacetrain.
I do get that, but my tendency to overanalyse things suggests that I have in fact lost 4kg in 2 weeks and no weight at all in the last week.

I need to see results, but I have nowt to whinge about really as despite my ample size BGs are good, which was my aim when I first started the Newcastle stuff.
I guess coming off metformin early this week could be a factor in no weight off this week too. I know, this weight, diabetes etc is not an exact science.
Encouraging pep talk duly noted and appreciated, and as I am a thrifty sort I will not want to waste the shed load of Ultraslim, so sticking with the programme, and away I go to indulge myself with a large glass of fizzy water. Whooppeee!

Onwards and downwards

Pipp
 
Pipp said:
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Thanks for that Paulins. To carry on since January is amazing willpower.
I am wondering if I should change from Tesco Ultraslim. Been using it 3 weeks. First week lost 2.5kg, second week 1.5kg, this week I weigh same as last week.
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Hi, Pip.

4kg is good. I think a lot depends on your starting weight and body chemistry, so there's nothing to lose heart about. If it helps, I've had the same experience and I know how it feels to get on the scales and see nothing lost, despite several day's solid effort.

To my surprise, my weight loss hasn't been constant since I started the Newcastle diet on 12th May. It began with a very rapid loss of 12lbs (5kg) in the first week, then more-or-less stopped on Thursday of week 2, which continued over last weekend, and suddenly restarted on Tuesday this week, dropping 1-2 lbs each day, to stand at 16lbs (7kg) in total since I began, 19 days ago.

I've put that down to the body's fluid loss and retention being variable, which can then affect each weight reading, so that you can't guarantee, day-on-day, what your 'true' weight really is.

The main thing is that the trend is nicely downwards and I've gone a notch up on my belt and don't strangle myself anymore when I do up my top collar button. What I've got to guard against now are the ever-present siren voices of friends and family, which have already begun: "Oooh, you look ever so thin" (I wish), "Don't you go overdoing it, now. Those crash diets aren't good for you. And skinny folks get ill ever so easily, don't they?"

I'm using Tesco Ultraslim, BTW, and I'm happy to keep doing so, as I've reasoned that I have to take in some carbs from somewhere. I use semi-skimmed milk and water to mix it (water alone is yuk) and have worked out what proportions I need to get to 200 kcals. The sugar in it was a worry but it's only now spiking me into the low 6s (6.1 after an hour this morning, dropping to 5.4 after 2 hrs, for example) and my overnight fasting levels have consistently been in the mid-high 4s (4.7 this morning).

That's all in line with what Newcastle University's information suggests we should experience, but I am aware that I'm nowhere near celebrating any solid successes, just yet.
 
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Any ketogenic diet will normally have the effect of large weight loss in the first week due to depletion of the liver's glycogen stores. It's pretty well explained in Jenny Ruhl's book on Low Carb Diets.
 
2131tom said:
Hi, Pip.

4kg is good. I think a lot depends on your starting weight and body chemistry, so there's nothing to lose heart about. If it helps, I've had the same experience and I know how it feels to get on the scales and see nothing lost, despite several day's solid effort.

To my surprise, my weight loss hasn't been constant since I started the Newcastle diet on 12th May. It began with a very rapid loss of 12lbs (5kg) in the first week, then more-or-less stopped on Thursday of week 2, which continued over last weekend, and suddenly restarted on Tuesday this week, dropping 1-2 lbs each day, to stand at 16lbs (7kg) in total since I began, 19 days ago.

I've put that down to the body's fluid loss and retention being variable, which can then affect each weight reading, so that you can't guarantee, day-on-day, what your 'true' weight really is.

The main thing is that the trend is nicely downwards and I've gone a notch up on my belt and don't strangle myself anymore when I do up my top collar button. What I've got to guard against now are the ever-present siren voices of friends and family, which have already begun: "Oooh, you look ever so thin" (I wish), "Don't you go overdoing it, now. Those crash diets aren't good for you. And skinny folks get ill ever so easily, don't they?"

I'm using Tesco Ultraslim, BTW, and I'm happy to keep doing so, as I've reasoned that I have to take in some carbs from somewhere. I use semi-skimmed milk and water to mix it (water alone is yuk) and have worked out what proportions I need to get to 200 kcals. The sugar in it was a worry but it's only now spiking me into the low 6s (6.1 after an hour this morning, dropping to 5.4 after 2 hrs, for example) and my overnight fasting levels have consistently been in the mid-high 4s (4.7 this morning).

That's all in line with what Newcastle University's information suggests we should experience, but I am aware that I'm nowhere near celebrating any solid successes, just yet.
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Thanks 2131tom
Well done on your good start.

I think my main point of contention in continuing Newcastle is that I could have lost 4kg in 3 weeks eating real food. Having the meal replacement drinks is a bit 'abnormal' but as it has worked well in the past, I thought I would give it another try. BGs are not an issue as they have been stable. I just still have so much weight to lose, and have become impatient.

You are so right about the comments other people make. How dare they dictate to me how I should look, eat, etc. I now stop them in their tracks by saying something like "Inever discuss such personal issues with anyone other than my nearest and dearest". If they continue I tell them they are being incredibly insensitive after what I have just said. If that embarrasses them, tough. They started it.
 
I was asked at work if I had lost all this weight deliberately or for health reasons! Duuh!


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paulins said:
Good point though- I'll check! Thank you.
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It is well to check on your own medical circumstances. It is dangerous to make such sweeping statements about vitamin consumption without knowing anyone's personal medical circumstances.

Regards

Doug
 
I was not in any way suggesting anyone did what I was doing but simply sharing. I was advised by my doctor to take a vitamin tablet to make sure my body was definitely getting the vitamins and minerals it needs because I was on such a restricted diet. But of course everyone must speak with their own GPs.


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paulins said:
I was not in any way suggesting anyone did what I was doing but simply sharing. I was advised by my doctor to take a vitamin tablet to make sure my body was definitely getting the vitamins and minerals it needs because I was on such a restricted diet. But of course everyone must speak with their own GPs.


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Similarly, the comment I had made re excess vitamin consumption was not meant to be a sweeping statement, but was of a similar concern to a comment made to me regarding Benecol and statins. Which I valued as it showed that other poster was interested in my wellbeing and that of others reading the post.
Very sorry if that mislead anyone.
 
Pipp said:
Similarly, the comment I had made re excess vitamin consumption was not meant to be a sweeping statement, but was of a similar concern to a comment made to me regarding Benecol and statins. Which I valued as it showed that other poster was interested in my wellbeing and that of others reading the post.
Very sorry if that mislead anyone.
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Thanks Pipp. I think that sharing our experiences is invaluable, but we are all intelligent people and can read posts and make decisions for ourselves based on our own individual circumstances. I never feel anyone on this forum is pushing for us to do anything - we are simply sharing and watching out for each other. Seeing GP next week, so will definitely ask about the vitamin supplements.
 
And my eyes are healing brilliantly and I now have excellent vision most of the time! Scary having surgery, but now so glad I did. I am back on the treadmill, 30 minutes a day, and today 30 minutes afterwards my BS was down to 4.6! Andrew Colvin, you are right! Exercise does push down BS levels!

And ... I am going out for a dinner on Monday, in a new dress, much smaller size, and was brave enough to let them know that I can't eat carbs or sugar so I am getting something I can eat! Feeling positive again, and losing weight again.
 
paulins said:
And my eyes are healing brilliantly and I now have excellent vision most of the time! Scary having surgery, but now so glad I did. I am back on the treadmill, 30 minutes a day, and today 30 minutes afterwards my BS was down to 4.6! Andrew Colvin, you are right! Exercise does push down BS levels!

And ... I am going out for a dinner on Monday, in a new dress, much smaller size, and was brave enough to let them know that I can't eat carbs or sugar so I am getting something I can eat! Feeling positive again, and losing weight again.
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Brilliant, Paulins I am so pleased that your eye surgery has made things better for you.

You are insipirational. Enjoy your meal out in the new dress. You should be so proud of all you have achieved, and will go on to achieve.
 
paulins said:
Thanks Pipp. I think that sharing our experiences is invaluable, but we are all intelligent people and can read posts and make decisions for ourselves based on our own individual circumstances. I never feel anyone on this forum is pushing for us to do anything - we are simply sharing and watching out for each other. Seeing GP next week, so will definitely ask about the vitamin supplements.
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Yes one thing I have noticed about the forum posts is that they are all articulate. Makes me wonder how can folks who are less able to communicate in this way can be helped though.
 
Thank you Pipp. We are in this together so keep posting to let us hear how you are getting on. Will let you know how dinner goes. Can't remember the last time I went out like this!


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Pipp said:
Yes one thing I have noticed about the forum posts is that they are all articulate. Makes me wonder how can folks who are less able to communicate in this way can be helped though.
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For every person who feels articulate or confident enough to post, there are nine or ten who just read. But I hope they are also benefiting from all the information. We present different perspectives here, that sometimes disagree, but regardless it's way more information than can be had anywhere else, particularly from the official sources like the DUK site.
 
So ... treadmill for 30 minutes Thursday, Friday, twice on Saturday and once so far today. Might do another 30 minutes later this evening. Tried eating before (a little, about 40 minutes before) and after to see what happened. Levels definitely lower if I eat a little first, then do the exercise. Plan to keep trying different things over the next week and see what happens. Will let you know.
 
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paulins said:
So ... treadmill for 30 minutes Thursday, Friday, twice on Saturday and once so far today. Might do another 30 minutes later this evening. Tried eating before (a little, about 40 minutes before) and alter to see what happened. Levels definitely lower if I eat a little first, then do the exercise. Plan to keep trying different things over the next week and see what happens. Will let you know.
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I started using the treadmill again when I started the diet on 12th May and I believe it does help quite a bit.

I'm a bit wary of setting the calories burned by the exercise against the diet, though. The Newcastle Diet advice (IIRC) warns against 'overestimating the effects of exercise' in this way but the figures are at odds too: My Reebok machine tells me that my 40 mins at 5mph burns off 400 kcals whereas Myfitnesspal suggests it's 547. :confused:
 
2131tom said:
I started using the treadmill again when I started the diet on 12th May and I believe it does help quite a bit.

I'm a bit wary of setting the calories burned by the exercise against the diet, though. The Newcastle Diet advice (IIRC) warns against 'overestimating the effects of exercise' in this way but the figures are at odds too: My Reebok machine tells me that my 40 mins at 5mph burns off 400 kcals whereas Myfitnesspal suggests it's 547. :confused:
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Interesting! I'm not allowed to run yet, after my eye surgery, but very brisk walking. At 5km for 30 minutes and the machine tells me that's 260 calories. I don't set it against the Newcastle allowance though, but rather see it as getting fitter and burning off fat.
 
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