Newcastle diet starting Monday, done it once who gonna join me on my journey??

Steve50 said:

Hi Indy

Not that I know of. 0.2kg could be water retention - or it could be that I had been dehydrated prior to this. I'm disappointed but not concerned. I am looking mainly at T2 reversal - not weight. The point of a daily weigh in is to give myself encouragement - this is after all supposed to be 'rapid' - but on this occasion it seems to have backfired.

Thinking back I did have a period of about 3 hours yesterday when I didn't feel that great. Apart from one other time - I have been feeling better on the ND than on my usual diet. Not sluggish, lethargic or tired. But yesterday afternoon I was a bit light headed. Had a couple of glasses of water but it did not pass quickly. Went to bed. Feel ok this morning. But weight was up. So I wonder if it was connected?

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200g is a big glass of water

Not really - I just weighed it out! Its a standard size glass.

Day 11. Back on track. Weight is now down 4.6kg. Fasting blood average for the week is 5.7. Still a little high, but I am sure it has something to do with the dawn phenomenon. Which raises the question - why? So I might try changing the timing of my last calorie intake of the day. Another thing I could try is moving the veg supplement to lunch time - but that is difficult while I am working. It's tricky to get the balance right. Good news - BMI is now 25.1. I'm so close to being classified as 'normal'!

geordie90 said:

Day 1 in the Newcastle diet house
Not a bad start, two strawberry slim fast shakes made with water, couple of cups of tea, leafy salad, cucumber, onion,egg(boiled),chicken glass of water, eaten after an hour in the gym, weights, boxing, kettle bell and cardio, see what the figures are like in the morning. I'm looking forward to my eyesight becoming less fuzzy, I know that the improvements come quick, just hope the weight loss is quicker this time seemed to stall after about six weeks.
All those partaking start as you mean to go on

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Hi, can I ask why water and not milk? Just reading through for ideas and noticed that water has be mentioned a few times. Tia

Hi, I have been reading through and there are so many posts. I have some questions, I am sure the answers are somewhere in the posts, so please forgive me for asking again. I have read bits and pieces on other websites too. I would be grateful for advice and feedback please.

1. I am thinking slim fast as I can buy them locally and pre made for ease. And I have had them before and don't mind the taste. But I have read that some people are mixing with water and I don't know if the pre made shakes are a problem?
2. I read that the replacement drinks are generally high sugar for tast but that the weight loss and low calorie still means this is 'safe', so how do people monitor the bg? Do you just do once a day?
3. I am on metformin SR 2g, is the nd safe on meds? I know I should ask my GP or DN this, but the GP said not to go on the hflc diet becaus it's too much protein, and the nurse told me to eat carbs (but 'good'carbs that slow release), so I am guessing they wouldn't be pro ND.

Thanks

Hi Bewildered.

It's really difficult for us to offer dietary or medical advice - and that is not the point of this blog. But I can tell you what I am doing.

I use the Slimfast ready made drinks. These are already measured & balanced, and taste ok. There is a good range of flavours. Dont want to sound like an add - I'm sure there are other brands that do the same thing - but I can source these locally and reasonably. I dont mix these with water as they are ready made. But I do drink plenty of water on the side. I have 2 of these a day - as they are slightly higher in calories than the 200 used in the ND test. I am also drinking tea and coffee - with skinny milk and sweateners (maybe 2 - 3 cups a day). Mostly for social reasons. This - combined with the 250 gm of veg - takes me up to about 800 cals per day. On this - I have lost 4.6kg (10lb) in 11 days.

I monitor my blood once a day - and at the same time of day - early morning. This gives me a fasting blood reading - and I believe it is more consistent over time. Taking a reading more often may help if you are measuring resistance. That is up to you. Over the 11 days so far my average reading has dropped from 6.2 to 5.7.

Re meds - please speak to your DN or GP. I recognise this is tough because they are following accepted guidelines - and the ND falls well outside conventional thinking. But you should take control of your own health. They can advise and monitor you - but you have to decide for yourself, on that advice - what to do. From what I have read - there are some people who should not, under any circumstances, try the ND. You need to know if you are one of those people.

I would have to say that there is no noticeable protein in my diet at the moment. As for carbs - I am not convinced of the good carb argument. There is a very good UTube presentation on page 15 of this blog. This may explain things more clearly.

Hope this helps - and good luck with it. Hope you are supported in this.

Hi @Pipp

Not seen you for a while, all ok?

AndBreathe said:

Why aren't you testing? It's such vital information.

I understand Walmart do some modestly priced meters, and strips. Many people find they are able to test for a while, then ramp down the intensity of their testing, once they have a handle on what to expect from scenario/foods.

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@Arab Horse @AndBreathe @brettsza I thought I was "Mildly diabetic" when I asked the endocrinologist at our first meeting whether I should have a meter it was "You can if you want?" kinda attitude. She was such a snotty person when meeting me with my BMI over 30. Now 55lbs lighter someone last night remarked I don't look like the diabetic type! I'll go get a meter that's for sure..

What I've got to discover for me is how to plan my meals over a 2 week period. I was at the gym yesterday (& did weights) and we went out for dinner I had salad with lettuce w oil & vinegar dressing. Pork with broccoli & cauliflower. I avoided the stuffing & mashed potatoes then walked home on my own to walk off any sugars. I am not shy about exercising. In fact I feel blessed with where I live. If i had to put up with the UK's weather and diabetes I'd probably shoot myself! That one girl who was able to run on a treadmill to lose 100+ lbs is amazing! My knees won't allow that but I can cycle. I just have to tweak what I am doing to get it all fully under control.

Steve50 said:

Day 11. Back on track. Weight is now down 4.6kg. Fasting blood average for the week is 5.7. Still a little high, but I am sure it has something to do with the dawn phenomenon. Which raises the question - why? So I might try changing the timing of my last calorie intake of the day. Another thing I could try is moving the veg supplement to lunch time - but that is difficult while I am working. It's tricky to get the balance right. Good news - BMI is now 25.1. I'm so close to being classified as 'normal'!

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the DP is from insulin resistance, give it time

Will do - thanks Jack. How long did it take you to overcome it?

Bewildered said:

Hi, I have been reading through and there are so many posts. I have some questions, I am sure the answers are somewhere in the posts, so please forgive me for asking again. I have read bits and pieces on other websites too. I would be grateful for advice and feedback please.

1. I am thinking slim fast as I can buy them locally and pre made for ease. And I have had them before and don't mind the taste. But I have read that some people are mixing with water and I don't know if the pre made shakes are a problem?
2. I read that the replacement drinks are generally high sugar for tast but that the weight loss and low calorie still means this is 'safe', so how do people monitor the bg? Do you just do once a day?
3. I am on metformin SR 2g, is the nd safe on meds? I know I should ask my GP or DN this, but the GP said not to go on the hflc diet becaus it's too much protein, and the nurse told me to eat carbs (but 'good'carbs that slow release), so I am guessing they wouldn't be pro ND.

Thanks

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are you morbidly obese? if not, don't do shakes.
prof taylor has said doesn't really care about the make up of 800 cal.... it's a starvation diet over 8 weeks.
It can have severe complications
it needs medical supervision, you don't do it on a whim, you may need a referral to a bariatric HCP.
with ND, meds need close monitoring,

Low carb high fat is a normal protein diet and you adjust your BG and weight by the amount of carb you eat.

Steve50 said:

Will do - thanks Jack. How long did it take you to overcome it?

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I don't know, but that is the reason for now. I's hormonal. not as a result of what you are eating [ 800 cal]
after ND you will see how your pancreas functions on a carb controlled diet

Hi @jack412

did you suggest salt to avoid cramps on nd? as I have like a feeling that I might get a cramp somewhere on the leg but am not having any, I do have a sore toe and walked erratically which makes me think this feeling could be because of that may be.

the ND is one diet that has to be done under a HCP. I'm very reluctant to give any "how to" opinions on ND as I only know what I've read..but in general, the shakes have low salt, you need a minimum of 2.300 mg sodium a day

On the question of blood monitors - I have now had two (both provided - lucky me!). However, I have noticed that the readings from each differ - wildly. I have kept the one that gives the readings closest to the mmol/L readings from the pharmacy - which also provides free readings for us. Don't know if this is particular more accurate - but it gives me a point of reference.

jack412 said:

are you morbidly obese? if not, don't do shakes.
prof taylor has said doesn't really care about the make up of 800 cal.... it's a starvation diet over 8 weeks.
It can have severe complications
it needs medical supervision, you don't do it on a whim, you may need a referral to a bariatric HCP.
with ND, meds need close monitoring,

Low carb high fat is a normal protein diet and you adjust your BG and weight by the amount of carb you eat.

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I have appt with DN in a couple of weeks, the last appointment with her was cut short as the surgery sent me to the wrong place. So I am hoping to have a bit more of a conversation this time - after all I already knew my weight. I will do some more reading and hang fire til then. Weight now puts me at a BMI of 30.6, down from 35.

Bewildered said:

I have appt with DN in a couple of weeks, the last appointment with her was cut short as the surgery sent me to the wrong place. So I am hoping to have a bit more of a conversation this time - after all I already knew my weight. I will do some more reading and hang fire til then. Weight now puts me at a BMI of 30.6, down from 35.

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I have pm'ed you a list if ND info and a letter for your Dr about it. and LCHF info to look at over the next couple of weeks
well done dropping the 5 bmi, that should have helped a lot,... with your BMI and diabetes, it 'just' puts you into the suitable for ND range, but LCHF will also get the remainder off..
it's your call..the main thing is now or after ND...you have a way of eating for the rest of your life than will keep your carbs below your personal trigger point.
This gives a simple overview to how it works
For me, the more carbs we eat the more carbs we want. They don’t give up easy and it’s biochemical
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEayi6IBjZw
nd lecture
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/events/public-lectures/item.php?roy-taylor-diabetes

Day 12. No more weight loss - which is a little bewildering - but not a major issue. I expected to plateau. But fasting blood was down to 5.4 - averaging 5.6 over 7 days. Still looking forward to being under 25 BMI - but not sure how to celebrate - perhaps a glass of diet coke!

Not hungry - and not unwell. No negative symptoms.

Day 13. Weight loss back on track. Now down 5kg (11lb) and BMI is 25. I am 0.1 kg above 'normal'. More importantly my fasting blood was 5.2 this morning - and averaged 5.6 over the last week. Felt really cold again last evening - which I am recognising as a sign of weight loss.

14 days and it's time to see your Dr again, does your Dr do a blood test to see how your body is going, I think potassium is also on the list to check?