Newcastle diet starting Monday, done it once who gonna join me on my journey??

Hi Jack. I'm seeing the nurse. Do I take it you are seeing your GP every 14 days? I had my bloods done as I started - and have another form to go again - but I need 1 week for the results to get back to the surgery.

I'm not doing ND, I'm on LCHF, I've dropped 13kg and plateaued.
ask nurse but but that should be ok, they get the result in a couple of days, if they want you in quicker than that, they'd call.

jack412 said:

LCHF

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I can see why you might need regular checks - even on the LCHF. 13kg is a great result.

Steve50 said:

I can see why you might need regular checks - even on the LCHF. 13kg is a great result.

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no,,I get my 3 month checks and I see the dr as and when other times...we generally don't have nurses here and they can't prescribe medication. Only a large practice would have a blood nurse and dressings.

As long as you are looked after you don't mind whether it's a large practice or small.

jack412 said:

no,,I get my 3 month checks and I see the dr as and when other times...we generally don't have nurses here and they can't prescribe medication. Only a large practice would have a blood nurse and dressings.

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Ok - guess I'm pretty luck then. Our practice has prescribing nurses - and we get regular diabetic checks including feet (circulation) & bloods - and eye checks.

I am chasing my surgery for eye test for 6 months now and they don't even bother replying

brettsza said:

I am chasing my surgery for eye test for 6 months now and they don't even bother replying

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why would the surgery do eye checks? they wouldn't have the equipment would they?
first is generally an optometrist for eye checks and glasses...the dr or optometrist refer to ophthalmologist here.

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I believe you can have a test done at most opticians and our local university also offers free eye screening. Our local NHS service moves around the county and sets up in temporary locations (community centres, offices etc) and we get called in. It is really a great service and we are looked after. But the point of being on the ND is to see if I can be taken off all meds and checks - so that these services can be used by people who genuinely need them - not by people like me who MAY be able to avoid using them

brettsza said:

I am chasing my surgery for eye test for 6 months now and they don't even bother replying

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My surgery has a mobile clinic come to do the annual retinopathy checks for all its patients, in May. I was away last year, so I called the ophthalmology unit at the mobile base (major hospital), and arranged to go there to be done. Maybe your surgery has a similar arrangement?

Have you chased this in writing? Phone calls can be forgotten, or even"forgotten", a letter, sent recorde delivery can't be. As you feel you have issues at every turn, I'd go recorded delivery letter. Mat least that way you should get ta response (or they get a follow-up complaint).

Sorry i meant retinopathy i dont know if they even sent anything to the whoever needs to do it

brettsza said:

Sorry i meant retinopathy i dont know if they even sent anything to the whoever needs to do it

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Same course of action. Letter, recorded delivery, stating you have not had a retinopathy check, and enquiring what the usual practise process is, and when you might expect an appointment.

@Arab Horse - I'm increasingly concerned about your determination to pursue the ND; bearing in mind your BMI and liver scan results. Defatting the liver is key to ND success, but you have none, and nor do you have any poundage to drop. My BMI is now just under 18, so I have a very personal idea of how your physical shape is likely to be. There's so little fat around, never mind that you've had confirmation there is no discernible fat in your liver.

I would ask you to think about a couple of things.

I've tried not to make this post, but I think someone has to. But, if you are not already achieving the non-diabetic levels you want, you have no liver fat, you are physically classed as underweight and you are eating very low carb (all by your own statements?), unfortunately, I think there is a very, very slim chance (pun recognised) the ND will materially achieve what you want. I know those are blunt words, but a number of people have dressed them up over weeks and weeks, and you resist, without exception.

If it did work, would you be happy to maintain, long term, what would, frankly, be a skeletal frame? Could you buy adult clothes small enough? Is that your desired look, because you would be stuck with it.

Should you lose weight, but not achieve the desired results, in terms of carbs you can eat, how do you regain the weight lost in the process? Gaining weight on a low carb diet isn't easy; trust me on that one. I haven't found a way to do it, and nor has @Bluetit1802 unless I am mistaken. So, again, you are stuck with a skeletal frame, or a period accepting currently unacceptable blood scores, whilst you eat more carbs to gain weight.

If I recall, Bluetit found if she increased fat further her bloods crept up a bit, but weight didn't go along with em. Correct me if I'm wrong, Blue.

I am passionate about remaining meds free, and fortunately for me, I have, thus far, been able to do so, but I made a pledge to my OH close to diagnosis, that if ever my clinical need for medication was evident, I would accept medication to ensure a good, healthy life. An element in there, vigorously discussed, was how far lifestyle could be taken.

If you feel you are too restricted, in terms of eating, with your current regime, then perhaps it is time to rethink the situation with meds, if that could low the variety of eating options you seek from the ND.

Whilst we have all made changes we would rather not, to manage our conditions, our quality of life needs to come before a strategic dogma. The harsh reality is the ND can't work for everyone. Maybe your "brand" of diabetes means you have drawn a short straw on this one.

Again, apologies for seeming harsh, but I feel something needed to be said.

@brettsza - I find it curious you chose to "like" my post, as some of it; the weightless/stature, and considering the "what if" it doesn't work equally apply to you.

Perhaps I have been more subtle in my messaging to you.

Day 14. Weight is plummeting!.

Background
I started on the 5:2 in September last year at 110kg (BMI 30.7) - having been diagnosed T2, bloods were 'high' ( c11 - 13) so had my meds increased to the max and told by my GP I was in 'last chance saloon' (obviously a John Wayne fan ). He said to me 'you are too fat - simple as that'. On the 5:2 I managed to get down to 91.2 but then over Easter went back up to 94.6. Switched to the ND two weeks ago today.

Now
Today I was 89.2 which puts me at 24.9 on the new BMI scale.. More importantly my fasting bloods were 5.2 - average over the week 5.4.

Moving forward
So - what to do from here? If I were to attempt to lose 25% of my original weight - that would be a target of 82.5kg or anther 6.7kg (a BMI of 23). I am presuming this will have cleared out all of my liver and pancreas stored fat and might restore my health to no diabetic status - if I am one of the lucky ones where reversal is possible. But I am feeling and looking quit thin! My skin is lose in most places. I can't sit on firm seats without a cushion. I'm down to the last few shirts and pants that still fit (kept in the back of the wardrobe in the long term hope that I might one day be able to wear them again!). I have only one suit left for work that I can get away with! Another 6.7kg would mean a whole new wardrobe! But that is not really the problem. My issue is knowing at what point to stop.

Following the threads in this blog - I can see that the ND requires a kind of 'obsessive' mindset - and there is a fine line between determination and obsession. And if I am not careful - this mindset may prove to be detrimental. My clear goal is to reverse T2. This should not be a matter of weight, or BMI - these are just targets. Goals to aim for.

How will I know when T2 is reversed? Is it when my bloods stablise? Is it when my GP says I'm no longer too fat? I read the ND material - and they seemed to use the time frame of 8 weeks or 56 days. This seems quite arbitrary.

Excellent progress @Steve50 -- well done you !!

AndBreathe said:

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[COLOR=#000000]Should you lose weight, but not achieve the desired results, in terms of carbs you can eat, how do you regain the weight lost in the process? Gaining weight on a low carb diet isn't easy; trust me on that one. I haven't found a way to do it, and nor has [USER=94045]@Bluetit1802 unless I am mistaken. So, again, you are stuck with a skeletal frame, or a period accepting currently unacceptable blood scores, whilst you eat more carbs to gain weight.

If I recall, Bluetit found if she increased fat further her bloods crept up a bit, but weight didn't go along with em. Correct me if I'm wrong, Blue.[/COLOR]

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[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]A great deal of thought about how to regain unwanted weight loss is necessary, and there needs to be a sustainable plan of action well in advance. It is considerably harder than losing the weight in the first place. As @andbreathe says, on a low carb diet, neither of us has found a way to do it successfully and keep the carbs down at the same time. Since bumping up my calories from fat, even by just enough to maintain my weight never mind gain some, my BS levels have crept up. This maybe because bumping up the fat often means bumping up the protein (cheese for example).

[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Please give this weight issue a lot of thought[/COLOR].[/COLOR]