Hi MD
In the UK there is broad acknowledgement of the fact that a large rate of diabetes remains undiagnosed. I would not rely on the stats too much. They may suggest the French are slightly better at diagnosing.
Good debate.
I think we agree diabetes knows no boundaries. There is something to be said about culture though. Not so sure about the 'class' issue. (I did mention I have spent most of my life in Australia)
I do visit my daughter in New York and have noticed far fewer overweight people living there. I presume it has something to do with the logical street design and relatively flat landscape. Not to mention the complete nightmare of trying to drive around. Much quicker to walk depending on time of day or catch the Metro. All very good exercise walking and climbing stairs. Not to mention the whacking big park slap in the middle.
In England we too have our share of oversize portions and ridiculous sales of chocolate and sweets. I mentioned earlier in this blog about an experience I had at a newsagent outlet where I was offered cheap chocolate at the till. This was an outlet at a hospital.
However in England ( where I live) there is no particular reason to own a car. It is such a small place and very accessible by public transport. I know Brits like to have a bit of a moan about it but everything is relative. Try living somewhere where there are only one or two buses a day! So I don't own a car. This keeps me moving more getting too and from places.
Lifestyle changes can be made but they are often good reasons not to make them. It really comes down to priorities. If we eat at the table or in front of the TV. If we eat alone or in company. If we walk to the bus or train or drive. If we use large plates or small one. All choices we are capable of making.
Had I not gone for my free NHS health check I would have remained undiagnosed. I had no idea I was diabetic despite having a glucose of 18.6mmol/L and an HbA1c of10.4%.
@EurobuffThat was exactly the same in my case. I had no symptoms. I did feel a bit tired but put that down to my hectic & stressful job at the time.
Good debate.
I think we agree diabetes knows no boundries. There is something to be said about culture though. Not so sure about the 'class' issue. (I did mention I have spent most of my life in Australia)
I do visit my daughter in New York and have noticed far fewer overweight people living there. I presume it has something to do with the logical street design and relatively flat landscape. Not to mention the complete nightmare of trying to drive around. Much quicker to walk depending on time of day or catch the Metro. All very good exercise walking and climbing stairs. Not to mention the whacking big park slap in the middle.
In England we too have our share of oversize portions and ridiculous sales of chocolate and sweets. I mentioned earlier in this blog about an experience I had at a newsagent outlet where I was offered cheap chocolate at the till. This was an outlet at a hospital.
However in England ( where I live) there is no particular reason to own a car. It is such a small place and very accessible by public transport. I know Brits like to have a bit of a moan about it but everything is relative. Try living somewhere where there are only one or two busses a day! So I don't own a car. This keeps me moving more getting too and from places.
Lifestyle changes can be made but they are often good reasons not to make them. It really comes down to priorities. If we eat at the table or in front of the TV. If we eat alone or in company. If we walk to the bus or train or drive. If we use large plates or small one. All choices we are capable of making.
Hi MD
In the UK there is broad acknowledgement of the fact that a large rate of diabetes remains undiagnosed. I would not rely on the stats too much. They may suggest the French are slightly better at diagnosing.
@Steve50
I live on the left coast her in the US and yes NYC has peculiarities that make one more active. Its very difficult and expensive to park a car in NY. That's the deal. There's trains & subways everywhere, its fully connected. So people don't have cars as much or rarely use them. So the locals get much more exercise natively.
OTOH In Los Angeles to this day has metro systems do not yet have a direct connect from the airport to Los Angeles downtown railway system! In LA realistically you can't live with out transport. Bikes do help enormously. We have buses now that will pick you up with your bike as you mount that onto a rack at the front of the bus. So per capita most New Yorkers get more exercise because of how their local systems work. On a Saturday night in the old days I'd regularly drive 20 miles for a pizza. That would be unheard of in the UK but it feels easy here as the motorways (= freeways) are well designed. FWIW In the 1960's the car companies bought out the railroad companies in Los Angeles and took out all the tracks. Now 50 years later the councils are struggling to put them back and its car gridlock to get to work.
The bigger problem in the US is the distances though. California (just one of 50 states) is 3 times the size of the UK so while grandiose plans have been drawn up for high-speed rail link between San Francisco & Los Angeles one can't get a high-speed link between LA and Chicago. That's a plane ride away. Its a big country over here.
In his latest video presentation in 2014 by Professor Taylor, (which is worth watching in its entirety) https://campus.recap.ncl.ac.uk/Panopto/Pages/Embed.aspx?id=c3bef819-e5f4-4a55-876f-0a23436988ed&v=1 at minute 46.10 shows a photo of skinny people walking across a street in front of C&A's in Newcastle back in the 1980s. Those folks no longer exist. I suspect that its the long term effects of HFCS has taken its toll on society.
This is to Steve and "Living" - something weird happened to my last response and I can't be bothered to figure it out.
I live in NYC and I can assure you that we are getting as averagely fat as the rest of the country. Averagely meaning a lot of 20-40 lbs overweight, "ought to lose a few," etc. type obesity. I see central adiposity everywhere now. We didn't used to look like that when I was growing up. Not morbid obesity, but "you can get around type obesity." The amount of exercise an average NYer does simply doesn't make up for the amount of food available. Yes, of course, you see a lot of people running in the park, and exercising in gyms, but they are the sort to watch their weight in the first place.
There's a theory that weight is very socially conditioned. In France, Japan and Italy, women have lower BMIs than men because there is a great social stigma in a woman being plump. In certain neighborhoods in NYC it's the same. I believe the thinnest state is Colorado, where a significant portion of the pop. is sports mad. And I would say even there it's a 2-way street. You keep a good weight to exercise, and the exercise helps keep the pounds off.
Sorry if I hijacked this thread and made it America-centric.
You are almost there mate really happy for you.Day 51. Fasting blood 5.2. Away with work again so no weights.
5 days to go
What's done is done onwards and forward from here mate.Fell off the wagon yesterday...went to visit some friends holidaying nearby and went for a pub lunch. I succumbed to the Ploughmans taking the LCHF perspective, but as a one-off meal it was high calorie content and so for the first time since I started the ND I've actually gained half a pound compared to yesterdayAND I'd just dipped below the 15st for the first time in YEARS - back to 15st and 1/4lb this morning. That should go again by tomorrow all being well. Having said that I did abstain from alcohol and the follow-up ice cream cornet that everyone else indulged in on the walk back through the Langdale valley.
On the flip side, I monitored my bloods and pre-lunch was 4.2 (quite a late lunch, so I was definitely hungry), 2 hours post was 6.8, 3 hours post 7.5 & 4 hours post was 5.3, so the doorstep of granary bread alongside ham, 3 superb cheeses, an apple & delicious chopped salad was managed well it seems.
My BG averages are creeping up marginally, but still in the 5's. I must remember that I've dropped from 6 tablets at breakfast to 1 1/2, so medication is not contributing as much. At least with self-monitoring I can judge the impacts of variations as the days progress.
Yep, that's the pragmatic outlook I'm going to adopt.What's done is done onwards and forward from here mate.
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@Roytaylorjasonfunglover
I'd like to watch that video but I feel cautious about downloading an executable. Do you have somewhere else on the web that you can share that video or point us to the source of the video? Doesn't the BBC still have the interview on their website?
BTW while looking for an internet link to your @Roytaylorjasonfunglover video I found a website curediabetes dot com that was re-enforcing the precepts of Taylor and others..
Sorry I am such an idiot, I have deleted the link now, and will find another way to make the link available, I feel really bad for linking it should not have done that, could you remove it from your reply too?@Roytaylorjasonfunglover
I have to say I ended up with a bunch of viruses much like I was concerned about by trying to see that torrent. I gave you the benefit of the doubt yet I have now discovered 94 viruses on my computer. Other folks should be aware.
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