Thanks @Pipp for the input. "Perhaps it won't work as well for those with a start point weight less than extremely obese?" makes sense, I just hope I've not screwed my chances up as I'm now only starting ND / NP where my BMI is 23.1 or so. The nugget of knowledge I've gathered from your text above is that one can become un-diabetic and yet still have a large BMI 30+ number. So maybe we should be challenging Prof. Taylor to maybe modify his thoughts that its the aggressive-ness of ND & not exactly the entire weight loss that is helping patients?
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I prefer to leave Prof Taylor and his team to reach their own conclusions following controlled experiments. However, I see no harm in anyone sending them anecdotal evidence from their personal experiences to aid in study designs. It could be some time before any definitive answers are found. In the meantime, it would help if motivated people did have access to information on various methods of diabetes control, even those in trial stages, in order to make informed choices. Sadly, many people with T2 that I have encountered seem content to hand responsibility for their own well being to the HCPs, who in my opinion, are following an outdated, misinformed protocol.
... also this new thread might be helpful for Prof Taylor's further research (if he was also informed of its presence) . ...
Nope - day 45/56 & today's weigh in was 14st 4lbs (90.7kg). FBG 4.2 with a 30 day avg of 5.4 - all going in the right direction and might even exceed by self-imposed target of 14stNot long to go now Rob
Ok, but if we were to consider every member here who has completed ND for a valid study, surely because this was not set upbin a controlled, replicable study the only methodology for the study would be qualitative?If this thread is to be used in any scientific way, it will need to be set up properly.
Firstly we would need to decide if it is 'theory building' or 'theory testing'. It could be either. To theory build, we would consider a question such as 'How can a person with T2 use diet to bring about remission?' If we go the theory testing way it would be perhaps 'Does the NP (Prof Taylor) work for a self selected sample of people with T2?'. This would give us our Method.
To do this in any controlled quantitative way would take quite a bit of structure, resource and specific expertise. However, we could use 'grounded theory' and make this a qualitative piece of research. We could possibly use this thread to collect up our data - and then use a conceptual framework that would provide a structured analysis and a legitimate scientific output.
Just saying!
Agree
So if any of us want to do this, we should consider what would be most helpful. What would the point of the research be? To prove that the NP works for a lot of people. Or, perhaps to test some of the propositions we have discussed - i.e. Rapid vs Gradual weight loss.
Perhaps what would make an original contribution to knowledge would be best. Maybe something around sustaining weight loss - or more specifically how we maintain T2 remission post NP?
I'll happily contribute data - in the limited form I've kept.So - is there interest in us conducting a voluntary study in maintaining T2 remission?
Going to stick my neck out here and throw my hat in the ring to help with this. I am qualified in qualitative research - and am quite interested in this topic. Happy to work with you all on this - if there is an appetite for it? (perhaps poor use of metaphor!)
So - is there interest in us conducting a voluntary study in maintaining T2 remission?
Going to stick my neck out here and throw my hat in the ring to help with this. I am qualified in qualitative research - and am quite interested in this topic. Happy to work with you all on this - if there is an appetite for it? (perhaps poor use of metaphor!)
Ok - well in this case I will see if there is 'enough' interest in the question;
'How do T2DM patients maintain weight loss after completing the Newcastle Diet Program?' (first draft - happy for this to be edited)
As this thread is a democratic process - so too should be this research. It should also be qualitative - that is a collection of responses and experiences. That makes it ideographic (sorry to use these terms - not showing off just making it sound scientific - so we can legitimise our efforts)
'The idiographic approach, unlike the nomothetic approach, focuses on the individual. It suggests that everyone is unique and therefore everyone should be studied in an individual way. Due to this, no general laws are possible. The methods of investigation, by this approach tend to collect qualitative (typo) data, investigating the individual. Case studies are the most common method, but other research methods include: unstructured interviews, self-reports, autobiographies and personal documents.' https://louisenichols.wordpress.com/2011/09/30/nomothetic-research-vs-idiographic-research/
Each participant would be an individual case study. If you want to contribute to this study - you can. If not - no problem. Consent will be necessary before anything anyone has contributed to this thread can be used.
That is - if there is interest in this?
Hi ABIs this purely for ND, or for anyone who has achieved the same results?
I do think there is a gaping, yawning gap in the market for the likes of @Pipp 's advice for transitioning from the VLC protocol. @Andrew Colvin already has a thread relating his post remission*/cure*/control* (delete as necessary) transition process.
Whichever route this takes, it will eventually filter off the front pages. There are already a number of ND threads which have run their course. I'm absolutely not suggesting this isn't a good idea, just pointing out that on t'internet things tend to have a lifespan.
Can you be more precise in what it is you are seeking?So - is there interest in us conducting a voluntary study in maintaining T2 remission?
Going to stick my neck out here and throw my hat in the ring to help with this. I am qualified in qualitative research - and am quite interested in this topic. Happy to work with you all on this - if there is an appetite for it? (perhaps poor use of metaphor!)
I read a paper a few years back and there is something special about fasting. When your cells have plenty of energy they replace themselves via replication. If they have a faulty gene they replicate the fault.
When you cells are depleted of energy and become damaged they go into a repair state when the body will do everything it can to fix any damage and not replicate as it is too expensive and therefore will fix the fault.
I also saw a TV programme about some South American Tribe the was cut off from the world that chain smoke every day from children but they never get cancers! However, they do fast for long periods of time throughout the year.
This repair/replace mechanism will definitely kick in when you are on ND. I raise this because (postulation) the ND causing cell repair and not replace may have an impact on the cells of the pancreas and liver and the causing them to become "switched back on" instead of just replicating them in the "off" state (ie broken).
Hi BHi, going completely off topic from the posts above…I can't work out how to start my own thread so I am posting here because lots of NP experience is within…
I started 11 days ago, fallen off the wagon a couple of times (including having a cup of tea with milk), however my question is in relation to Metformin SR. I was previously able to tolerate but am now getting unwanted side effects. I came off Gliclizide when I started NP but remained on Metformin SR 2g.
BG is improving even on the results I was getting with Gliclizide.
Total weight loss is 2stone 11lbs - which equates to somewhere around 17%, but lost 5 lb so far on NP.
ANy observations re Metformin side effects??
TIA
Hi Pip@Steve50 I too have background in qualitative research, albeit a long while ago now. You could be undertaking a huge project here, so will need careful honing of ideas first. I hadn't seen your post in reply to AndBreathe before my previous post so sorry if I questioned something you have addressed there.
In recent months I have noticed greater interest in ND. More acceptance. Previously when I mentioned it there was a lot of scepticism. I was, in my perception, seen as a crank. What I would not like to do is give false hope to people for whom ND is not going to work. I think the concept of a thread for objective reports from NDers is good, but it could have a problem with people derailing it by bringing in opinions as to why it is wrong based on subjective opinions. This has been evident in the past when I have seen people post asking questions about ND and others have stepped in rubbishing it and promoting alternative eating plans, instead of answering the questions raised. So maybe a thread approved by admin, with a 'sticky' and only posts for those who have completed ND would be appropriate? Almost a sort of collective blog.
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