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Newcastle diet starting Monday, done it once who gonna join me on my journey??


I think your idea is a great one, Steve, and as you have stated previously, you are well aware that there is a lot to sort out before even a start can be made. I don't have a lot of spare time but if I can help you in any way I would be delighted to do so. Some of the data and possible conclusions could be invaluable to others starting their journey with diabetes.

Being a biomedical scientist and having worked in hospitals I knew quite a bit about diabetes, particularly T1 as those are the ones we tend to get the really bad results on in the lab, so my own journey with T2 has been a steep learning curve and not always liked! I don't always see new threads, Steve, so if you do start one please let me know so that I can join it/help if required.

If I am successful with the ND the gentleman down the road is going to go back to his Dr with my data and try to get his support but, if not, I think he will probably do it anyway.
 
Hi steve. I ha ve read all this thread with great interest and learning a lot. Please include me with any new thread you may start.
 
Steve50
I would be happy to go along with that, it's what was said way back when I suggested this in post 918, it doesn't need to be completely Data based and open to " knives and daggers" but a thread that is full of knowledge ( because of the people who have done the NP ) And people like @ QQ could gain a lot of info very quickly, not like me, who only gained knowledge by stumbling across this thread
 

Spot on, Wildrover. As the NHS, certainly in this area, disapproves of the ND it would be a reference point for those who, like me and the gentleman down the road, want to try it but our health professionals are against it. I am sure it is because of lack of knowledge on their part as I am sure they don't have time to read this sort of thing during working hours and won't be spending their spare time doing more work!

Steve, I do hope you manage to do it. I know what an enormous amount of time it would take and if there is anything I can do to help you I would be happy to do it.
 

Unfortunately @Steve50, some of my posts have been removed, other people have had their posts edited. Some of my deleted posts have had sections quoted by others out of context. This stopped the flow of the discussion, and may give the impression that I am opposing ND. Hence, my comment regarding derailing. It appears that I am trying to derail, or thwart your good intentions, which I assure you is not the case. I do believe that we would be better discussing any evaluation in a new thread, (or even a collective blog) as that would be for peoples' experience post - ND, I think? It is the follow on after ND that many people seem to have difficulty with. This, current, thread is for experience during ND?

I am cautious about what I say now, as I am not sure if anything I say will again be subjected to edit, or quoted inappropriately. I fully support a thread that records the experiences of those people who have followed the guidelines in theTaylor Newcastle academic papers, which clearly state that medical approval should be given and supervision throughout. My reason for caution is that some people are not following the protocol. That, therefore, not a true Newcastle diet.

I hope that clarifies things?
Best wishes
Pipp
 
Steve 50 How are your readings after the ND, are you gradually back on food. I had to give up the ND, not exactly, Heyfever, travel and a family wedding got in the way, meanwhile I have gone through two bathroom scales who have decided to give up the ghost. Although I am still travelling with work this week, milkshakes in the luggage, it is not easy to say no to the business lunches and a beer or so in the evening. I am trying to get back on the wagon and will try and contribute every day to keep focussed. I have lost around 7KG but really get the munchies at night, which are throwing the figures, I know I shouldn't but....one night I even got the chip pan out..I am very happy with the weight loss and know that I need to keep going up to the end of July when the family will arrive here for the summer. How did I let myself get so fat over a twenty year period.
 
Hi Telandy

What you have experienced is typical and I don't feel you should consider this is a failure. It isnt. It is the reality of the world we live and work in.

What is important here is you lost 7kg. That means that for at least some of the time you were in ketosis which would have given your Beta cells a chance to recover.

The other thing you said that I found really interesting was that you are trying to contribute every day to keep focused. I find this most interesting and important not just for the periods of weight loss but also for the maintenance of weight loss.

We are quite a unique group. We all have our issues and concerns about weight and weight loss but at the root of it is T2 reversal. If this is achieved in small steps a le Telandy or in leaps a la Bretsa et al - either way it is a positive step forward.

Please stay with this group. You may be with us because somewhere inside you know there needs to be positive changes to your life to bring about better health. That is why i joined this group and have benefitted enourmously from doing so.
 
Dear Steve50 thank you for the encouragement, as I mentioned before I am based out of Switzerland and my family are in the UK, a 15 hour car ride door to door! Two. Milkshakes and a soup doesn't cut the mustard when you have to drive that distance! I will keep going as best I can and hopefully will see the figures come down, 7.2 was the measurement just now and I have had a 5.4 one morning a few weeks ago so I need to get back in the sixes. As you said we are all on our personal journey a unique group and I will try and post on a daily basis to inspire others and hopefully keep me on track! How are you getting on post ND?
 

@AndBreathe

Any time I am chiming in about a potential for someone to be T2 I always preface it by saying "I suffer from T2D". Then no one can argue with you from the point of personal experience. I know from the stats only 70% of T2D sufferers get neuropathy. My neuropathy can be particularly spiteful when I get it. I can say that I'd never want anyone else to experience the pain I go thru. The cure for T2 can't come soon enough!

As for the father (& most people) they just don't get it. I was gently told by a T2D to get my bloods checked a year before diagnosis. I did not heed his warning much to my own comeuppance. Oh how I wish I could turn back the hands of time and have a do over on that one!..

AB if you have experienced neuropathy, you'll know first hand how spiteful it can be.We should become educators to help people that they too have a chance of a life without .
 

@Pipp,

Crossing the "T's" and dotting the "i's" is all well and good if the support is given. Pray tell what would you say of my experience with my doctor where he frankly thought that Professor Taylor's papers counted for nought? In the US BIG Pharma doesn't want you well they want you to be a fully paid up sufferer of what ever sickness they can make money out of. That goes too for doctors of the medical profession. They get paid per patient via insurance companies.

I even approached medical spas here in the USA that are official distributors of Optifast. I was told by their local doctor supervising the weight loss, that if my BMI was less than 25 I could not get their help with Optifast! My BMI is currently 22.9 and I am still coming up with diabetic FBGs!

Personally I'll put up the wrath of a doctor over the ravages of time, & living with T2DM symptoms.. Being blessed with T2D remission is for me at least the only way forward.

My weight is steady @ -25.2% from worst levels yet my FBGs are still in the 6.0+ but mostly lower than 7's..
 
I'm getting confused by a lot of this insistence on doing the ND even if normal/underweight - exactly where did Professor Taylor guarantee that 100% of people who follow the protocol will get remission? I certainly don't recall reading anything like that. How low do you go before you accept that weight loss isn't going to work for you and that you probably need medication?

And even if you do push your weight low enough to normalise your BG, how would you then resume eating carbohydrates at a level you want to and still manage staying at a weight low enough to allow it? Maintaining such a low weight even on a lower carb regime may be a very difficult feat.
 

@Indy51

Were you referring to my post?
 
Indy51 said:
Not just yours, though yours is the most recent.
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@Indy51

I own 3 pairs of Levi jeans that are 555 style. These are 34" waists x 36" legs. These jeans are over 20+ years old. How do I know this? Well I've been married 19 years and weighed 204lbs on my wedding day @ 204lbs I could not fit into these jeans I've had on my shelf for all these years. I now weigh 189 with my BMI at 22.9. These jeans are still tight on my frame. If I were to go back in time with my frame, was I too slender then? Or am I too slender now? Truth be told, my BMI at 18.5 would be 151lbs. At that level I would be skinny. I am nearly 40 lbs heavier than that.

Besides I frequently see fashion models who are rail thin yet they do look extremely attractive. Is their health in jeopardy by keeping their bodies in good shape? No not in my mind, people may gripe about these girls phyisque but anorexic I can assure you that I am not.

There are no givens in life (even for remission for T2DM), everything in moderation. Personally I've taken over a year to lose 64lbs. I exercise very regularly. I am eating well but enjoying the spirit of ND which is radical weight loss. The poster child for ND is Carlos Cervantes. He's on the record for having lost 100 lbs. I don't know if I will truly get to remission. Only God can know ahead of time.
 
Living-by-the-beach said:
Any time I am chiming in about a potential for someone to be T2 I always preface it by saying "I suffer from T2D". Then no one can argue with you from the point of personal experience
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They can if the advice is unsolicited. There are plenty of people who are overweight (for whatever reason) and will never develop T1 / T2. Same principle applies to those who are thin and with a low BMI. Diabetes does not discriminate regardless of the lifestyle people lead. It might be due to poor lifestyle choices, maybe bad diet, perhaps other associated conditions that triggered the onset of diabetes and in many cases, genetic.

I would have remained silent.
 

@Mike D I hear you (and that is your choice too), yet I know several T2 diabetics who've lost legs because of T2D amputations being needed.. Being over weight, (more importantly being obese) does up the chances of acquiring T2DM by a large percentage. Most people don't realize the danger of attaining T2. I'd rather share the knowledge ahead of time then have anyone go thru what I experience on an ongoing basis.
 

Whilst I think your intentions are well-meaning, my sentiments don't change, nor does my viewof how my Father would have reacted in such a situation.

May I ask again how the girl's Father reacted? How he actually responded?
 
The problem with being fat is that people can see it. And judge it. From 50 paces.
And for some reason they often feel entitled to comment on it. Particularly when they are older. Older women, I have noticed make a snippy comment. Older men come over all caring and considerate - they obviously think they are helping and being diplomatic.

Since my hormones messed up in puberty, and I have carried excess weight since then, I've had quite a few of these 'well meaning' interventions over the years.

As a teenager, newly fat, highly self conscious and feeling like a total failure amongst all my slimmer, prettier friends, having a stranger approaching and telling me that I should get checked out for a life threatening disease, or lose weight... crushing, wouldn't you say?

(Incidentally, this was the period I was using the Cambridge Diet, the 80s version - 330 cals a day. And weight still wasn't shifting)

If the family doctor telling me I should do things differently didn't work, then what possible impact was an interfering git that I had never seen before going to have? Except, of course, that the comments were deeply hurtful and made me reluctant to go anywhere that I might be seen, and criticised again. They also upset me enough that I comfort ate.

Because that is how it comes over. Criticism. Interference. Judgement. And if it is from a slim person - 10x worse. Never assume that a person is unaware they are fat. Or that they are lazy. Or that they don't care. Or that they don't try. Every day.

In my 20s, it was people at work. People on holiday. I can remember one old man walking up to me on the street. I was alone, of course. That kind of bully would never do it when the victim has supporters around. Although I know that people did talk about it to my parents. Who were considerate enough to hide it, as best they could.

By my 30s I had wised up. And now, by my 40s, I am confident that anyone approaching me with that kind of 'well meaning' unsolicited nastiness would regret it.
A lot.

And it is nasty. You wouldn't approach a complete stranger with shaking hands, to tell them to get checked out for MS. You wouldn't tell an elderly stranger you had an 'absent moment' to get checked for Alzheimer's. Or someone who needed the handrail on stairs to get checked for motor neurone disease. That would be absurd, wouldn't it? Because no one would consider making such judgements about those ailments.

Yet people feel entitled to comment on fatties and T2. And think they are helping?!?

In my experience, the most pompous, prostheletisers are those who want to talk politics, born again religious converts and born again dieters.
 
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The only thing you forgot there @Brunneria are the born-again smokers.

(No. I've never smoked.)
 
Lol

Good point. They deserve their own circle of hell. Maybe they could share it with the fat-bashers. Who could blow smoke over the fence.
 
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