Newcastle diet

douglas99 said:

You reversed your on zero carb?

if not I'm just going on accredited published facts behind the Newcastle diet, if you have other credible studies for low carb, we've be delighted to read them, if you put up the links.

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The original study for the Newcastle Diet only had a follow up 3 months after the end as far as I can find in the publications.

Prof Taylor mentions that 7 of the original 29 members had "normal" glucose levels after that time and had gained back 4 of the 14 kgs they had lost.

So for your 7 I'll point you at the success stories posts here and the testimonials at Dietdoctor and Intensive dietary management. As well as the members of the 2ketodudes facebook group (which I think numbers over 10,000)

The new follow up study of the calorie restrictive diet will not be published until 2018 so I guess we will have to wait and see what the results are. And see if they look at the metabolic rates of the participants then too.

Within the bad luck of our condition we are extremely lucky in that we have several tools to get a boot on the neck of diabetes. Consider someone with MS or Alzheimer's, we can effectively alleviate all or most of the symptoms of this potentially ravenous disease with dietary intervention. I am so grateful that my current regime maintains a lifestyle I am happy with. It is satisfying to know that if I started to regress, or couldn't exercise I could reduce carbs further, fast longer and reduce food in general. In adversity a huge number of us have these options which can sustain us through life.

douglas99 said:

The op has cut carbs now, that's when physiological insulin resistance kicks in.

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This is very interesting and I'm only just starting to learn what it is. Having spent the last 3 years low carbing, throwing away medication and having "well done" put in my notes by my GP, my last HbA1c is now 55 (not good) and I'm now using my FreeStyle Libre to see what's occurring.

Can you point me in the direction of some good info, I've googled and I'm hoping to find something to prevent this resistance from happening.

DavidGrahamJones said:

This is very interesting and I'm only just starting to learn what it is. Having spent the last 3 years low carbing, throwing away medication and having "well done" put in my notes by my GP, my last HbA1c is now 55 (not good) and I'm now using my FreeStyle Libre to see what's occurring.

Can you point me in the direction of some good info, I've googled and I'm hoping to find something to prevent this resistance from happening.

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All the info I have gathered has been through google searches and then following links in links... Of course, you have to exercise a lot of discernment between the over-exicted blog babblers and the actual scientific info.

But the main point about physiological insulin resistance is that it only kicks in when we have been in ketosis for several weeks or months. Coming out of ketosis will rapidly reverse any PIR that has occurred (it can be as little as a single carby meal). This is why people often find they have lower fasting morning blood glucose after they ate a carby meal the night before.

I suspect, from all the reading I have done, that it is impossible to have PIR without an excellent HbA1c (i.e. at non-diabetic levels), since you can't be in nutritional ketosis AND have a raised HbA1c (the glucose causing the high a1c prevents ketosis).

Since most 'low carbers' are not low carb enough to reach consistent ketosis, then PIR does not affect them.

Brunneria said:

I suspect, from all the reading I have done, that it is impossible to have PIR without an excellent HbA1c (i.e. at non-diabetic levels), since you can't be in nutritional ketosis AND have a raised HbA1c (the glucose causing the high a1c prevents ketosis).

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I'm going to have to start testing for ketosis, I did have a whole series of blood tests last year which confirmed my body was in a state of ketosis and I'm guilty of assuming that state would not change if I kept the carbs to the lower level. Learning all the time, makes my brain ache sometimes. LOL

douglas99 said:

It's less common to properly reverse on low carb, than low calorie perhaps.

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Where does this thought come from? Is it just a musing?

James1968 said:

I thought that type 2 diabetes could not be reversed?

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It can if caught very early and treated aggressively.Mine was caught early it was getting bad really fast.Metformin stopped it in it tracks.See my video I posted of the Canadian nephrologist about this subject.

I've never tested for ketosis. What equipment do I need please ?

daisyduck said:

I've never tested for ketosis. What equipment do I need please ?

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You can buy keto sticks at the pharmacie to pee on in the mornings which show the level of ketoes in your urine But it seems after longer periods of ketosis that it doesn't show in the urine as much so Then I don't know How other people do measure it