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Newcastle diet

fionamarie said:
Is THIS the Newcastle Diet I have seen people speak of on here?

What is Optifast and where can I buy it?

TIA x
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Yes it is.

Optifast is not commercially available. You can use other products.
 
The best I have found were recommended by @paulins , who has been very successful with Newcastle diet. They are called 'Shake that Weight' available online only. Low carb and cheaper than supermarket brands with big variety.
 
optifast is just the drink, meal substitutes about 200 cal,.. 3 of those and low starch veg

my opinion is that the drinks have too many carbs and you are looking at ~80g a day plus veg and I would do a calorie restricted LCHF..60g protein 50g fat and 20g carb.
you are getting near your minimum proteins and fats with this or do the drinks, salad and add a tin of sardines a day
 
As @douglas99 mentioned, plan carefully and get support of medical team, you may need to adjust medication.
 
douglas99 said:
Tesco shakes are very similar.

But you really need to take advice before doing it, or have a good understanding of the effects a low calorie diet can have if you maintain it for the period.
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Is Optifast just like the diet type shakes available. The effects as in health effects?
- headache
- dizziness
- tiredness
- hunger
- cold
Or more serious effects?
 
I had most success using Lipotrim, which uses Total Food Replacement method. This can only be undertaken if approved by GP, and Lipotrim is only available at pharmacies.
 
fionamarie said:
Is Optifast just like the diet type shakes available. The effects as in health effects?
- headache
- dizziness
- tiredness
- hunger
- cold
Or more serious effects?
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I feel very well when following Newcastle diet.
After day one felt no hunger at all. Managed Total food replacement for 9 weeks initially. BG was non-diabetic within days and has remained so. Did not feel ill, or fatigue or cold. Managed to exercise daily in water for at least an hour too.

I did feel very ill and cold when I tried LCHF. Someone described it as carb flu. So Newcastle diet was preferable method for me.

Each to their own though, as no one method suits us all.
 
douglas99 said:
I was tired, but planned around it.
I've lost over 4 stone overall, and I have to be honest, I feel the cold more than I used too :)
Not entirely on the Newcastle diet to be fair.
Personally, I wouldn't entertain jack's suggestion of trying to substantially alter the diet to a high fat, as it never was that sort of diet, and the results would be completely unknown.
As far as I'm aware, he hasn't done a low calorie diet himself.
I've done the original, with good result, so would always go with that.

Have a read of my story

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/another-newcastle-diet.66762/


edit - I didn't particularly add salt either.
Maybe the odd shake occasionally, but nothing memorable.
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@douglas99 can you clarify? How long were you on ND? Not all weight loss was on ND was it?
 
since when is 50g of fat high fat? it is less than the daily minimum
it's just called LCHF, and as I said, if I did the drinks and salad, I would add a tin of sardines, prof taylor also said you can do the diet with 12 or 1500 calories..so it isn't written in stone
 
jack412 said:
since when is 50g of fat high fat? it is less than the daily minimum
it's just called LCHF, and as I said, if I did the drinks and salad, I would add a tin of sardines, prof taylor also said you can do the diet with 12 or 1500 calories..so it isn't written in stone
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Sorry @jack412.
I am getting confused now. I hope you do not think I was criticising anything you said?
I was just trying to relay my own experience, which was the 600-800 calories a day version. I did this in the early days of the research, before subsequent study papers were released.
 
douglas99 said:
I did it for about 5 weeks.
My first weight loss was on low fat, probably over about a year,
This was about 4 stones off.
Good results, insulin resistance greatly improved, cut meds

Then I stabilised, but thought I still had a bit further to go.
I did the Newcastle diet for about 5 or 6 weeks, and lost another stone.
(But that was after summer, so I'd put on a few pounds)

So actually nearer 5 stones thinking about it.

But the newcastle diet seemed to shift different fat to the slow loss, or maybe it was the final push.
I stopped the Newcastle diet due to other reasons though, I needed to start eating again, and build my energy back up.

edit - it also meant I cut my meds again, and also improved my cholesterol figures.
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Thanks, so are you saying you felt tired on Newcastle diet? Or is there another reason you need to build your energy back up?
 
Pipp said:
Sorry @jack412.
I am getting confused now. I hope you do not think I was criticising anything you said?
I was just trying to relay my own experience.
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I should have tagged doug, :) as you know I'm supporter of the newcastle diet and I link to it and his lectures in my list
I'd just tweak the proteins and fats a bit. that's all

this is what I normally post about the ND
Newcastle diet aims in 8+ weeks to mimic the rate of ~70% remission, for surgery T2
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/
Newcastle diet Lectures
http://www.fend-lectures.org/index.php?menu=view&id=94
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/events/public-lectures/item.php?roy-taylor-diabetes

shows BG lowering to normal range
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jack412 said:
I should have tagged doug, :) as you know I'm supporter of the newcastle diet and I link to it and his lectures in my list
I'd just tweak the proteins and fats a bit. that's all

this is what I normally post about the ND
Newcastle diet aims in 8+ weeks to mimic the rate of ~70% remission, for surgery T2
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/
Newcastle diet Lectures
http://www.fend-lectures.org/index.php?menu=view&id=94
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/events/public-lectures/item.php?roy-taylor-diabetes

shows BG lowering to normal range
View attachment 8599
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Ah, right, I see now. I always worry in case I have unintentionally offended someone. (I Don't worry if I was deliberately trying to offend them). ;)

My reply to @fionamarie was to try to answer her specific query about meal replacement drinks, whereas you have given a more comprehensive response.

Thanks @jack412
 
douglas99 said:
Fair enough.
But you haven't done it, so I reckon it's not going to work well, and I have done it, so I'm happy to speak from experience.
But, that's just us I guess, and the op has all the facts here.

It''s a specific diet, with the research for that specific diet.
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Come on guys. Both have done a legitimate version of ND. Just different approaches.

Please lets not get into 'a my diet is better than yours ' scenario here. Not going to help OP. People might draw the conclusion that ND makes us confrontational.
 
Prof Taylor also said you can lose the fat with 12-1500 cal...as I said, it isn't written in stone, he has said the 3 drinks a day were just a way of getting calorie resrtiction. and the salad to keep the stools happening...he isn't actually recommending optifast and has said that
 
douglas99 said:
No offence to anyone,obviously, but it is a very detailed, very specific, calorie restricted, low fat, meal replacement diet, with the specification as outlined in the op's original link.
So worth pointing out, anything else isn't the Newcastle diet, regardless of what we would like to wish for here.
It's a shame the op is being sidetracked.
I have seen resistance to the Newcastle diet, which is a great shame, but at the end of the day, Prof Taylor defined it, and I guess until he changes it, that's what it is going to be.
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Yes, @douglas99
To some extent I would agree. I believed that too, as I read the original research paper from 2008, and took it literally to mean I needed to replicate that method as closely as possible with meal replacement drinks. The only products I could find then that were similar and that my GP approved were the Total Food Replacement products. It took me 2 years to persuade GP to agree to it. 9 weeks with no food but the diet products was not something I looked forward to, but I am glad I did it.

Subsequent reports from prof Taylor (after the 2008 paper I read) have in fact said that the calorie restriction does not need to be so severe. Just as @jack412 linked in his post.

In short, Prof Taylor defined it, then refined it.
 
Pipp said:
Yes, @douglas99
To some extent I would agree. I believed that too, as I read the original research paper from 2008, and took it literally to mean I needed to replicate that method as closely as possible with meal replacement drinks. The only products I could find then that were similar and that my GP approved were the Total Food Replacement products. It took me 2 years to persuade GP to agree to it. 9 weeks with no food but the diet products was not something I looked forward to, but I am glad I did it.

Subsequent reports from prof Taylor (after the 2008 paper I read) have in fact said that the calorie restriction does not need to be so severe. Just as @jack412 linked in his post.

In short, Prof Taylor defined it, then refined it.
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thanks pipp for a well balanced post straight down the middle :)
hopefully now everything is clear to doug, although this is the second or third time I explained it to him
another was about the need for extra fat from optifast site saying a spoonful a day
 
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