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Newly Diagnosed but Confused

NoCrbs4Me said:
Nope. :( Either of fasting BG, OGTT OR A1C are diagnostic of diabetes. This is from the Canadian Diabetes Association:

A bit confusing, but the box on the far right, second from the top (2-h value => 11.1 mmol/L) is you. :nailbiting:
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are we talking cross purposes or can't you understand the link in post 4? the same person can pass or fail a sugar drink test, depending on diet

all LC diet controlled diabetics can pass an A1c test and have under 7 fasting..otherwise they wouldn't be diet controlled
 
Wouldn't say I've been on a low carb diet for any length of time, more eating healthy on occasion lol
 
Gemdris said:
Wouldn't say I've been on a low carb diet for any length of time, more eating healthy on occasion lol
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well you may chose to eat more healthy all the time now :)
all these tests are based on a high carb diet
 
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Sure will! Summers on it's way so BBQ meat and salad for me (and a little wine, can't i?)
 
Well, sure I agree that low carbing can skew the results, but I didn't see anything in what @Gemdris posted that suggested she was low carbing, so I stand by my posts. :jimlad:
 
Gemdris said:
Sure will! Summers on it's way so BBQ meat and salad for me (and a little wine, can't i?)
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your meter is going to be your new best friend, if it was me, I'd cut out all wheat flour product, and add some real butter and healthy oils, olive and coconut to your diet
that should be enough to get your BG down to normal
beer is no good, reds and dry whites are fine
 
Would the results show a false positive if I had been low carb? Or does it mean I might be slightly worse but the results don't reflect that?

On and off ,I have days where I just have meat and salad but I do have a fair amount of wine most days. I normally indulge at the weekends
 
Gemdris said:
Would the results show a false positive if I had been low carb? Or does it mean I might be slightly worse but the results don't reflect that?

On and off ,I have days where I just have meat and salad but I do have a fair amount of wine most days. I normally indulge at the weekends
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It is possible you got a false positive, but if I were you I'd get a blood glucose meter. You self testing will quickly show if carbs cause your blood glucose to go into diabetic levels or not. :eek:
 
Gemdris said:
Would the results show a false positive if I had been low carb? Or does it mean I might be slightly worse but the results don't reflect that?

On and off ,I have days where I just have meat and salad but I do have a fair amount of wine most days. I normally indulge at the weekends
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a lower carb diet, will make the fasting test and a1c better and the sugar drink worse..you have a raised fasting, so you are at least pre-diabetic, you may not be full diabetic as the sugar drink said....which is the gold standard if done properly.

either way, you need to change your diet and exercise more, get rid of any excess weight and eat what your meter says you can, as I said I'd start with just cutting wheat flour products

some tips here may help as well
http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf it’s a long page and a video
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/lowcarbliving/a/Food-Cravings.htm because carbs don’t give up easy.

blood testing results with food
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045524.php

food counting
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/

Newcastle diet aims in 8+ weeks, to mimic the gastric surgery rate of ~80% T2 remission
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/
http://www.diabetesforecast.org/2010/mar/weight-loss-surgery-and-type-2-diabetes.html
 
jack412 said:
check your BG, one of us are argumentative
you didn't see her reply to you in post 11 ?
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"may of only had some salad in the days before" doesn't sound like a die-hard low carber to me.:wacky: Anyway, if you want to tell her she's not diabetic, go ahead.:nailbiting: Personally, I'd believe the doctor is this matter. :pompous: Also, a 1934 experiment on 20 year old healthy men isn't something I'd hang my hat on. :***:
 
NoCrbs4Me said:
"may of only had some salad in the days before" doesn't sound like a die-hard low carber to me.:wacky: Anyway, if you want to tell her she's not diabetic, go ahead.:nailbiting: Personally, I'd believe the doctor is this matter. :pompous: Also, a 1934 experiment on 20 year old healthy men isn't something I'd hang my hat on. :***:
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what is the carb requirement for the few days preceding the OGTT ?
you are peaking today, I'm not telling her she is not diabetic.
yes, she should listen to her Dr
all testing is based on the normal healthy population

so that's 1 out of 4 points I agree with
 
Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to my newbie questions,

I don't eat low carb a lot, I try to start then find wine and crisps lol.

Either way I will take my health a bit more seriously from now on.
 
jack412 said:
what is the carb requirement for the few days preceding the OGTT ?
you are peaking today, I'm not telling her she is not diabetic.
yes, she should listen to her Dr
all testing is based on the normal healthy population

so that's 1 out of 4 points I agree with
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If you think all experiments done on healthy 20 year olds will have the same result if done on middle aged diabetics, then good for you. Personally, I don't believe that. And of course lots of tests are done on people who are not healthy. o_O

However, the following study shows a low carb/low fat diet (i.e. salads) will not affect the OGTT test in healthy 20 year olds:
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/28/7/748.abstract
 
NoCrbs4Me said:
If you think all experiments done on healthy 20 year olds will have the same result if done on middle aged diabetics, then good for you. Personally, I don't believe that. And of course lots of tests are done on people who are not healthy. o_O

However, the following study shows a low carb/low fat diet (i.e. salads) will not affect the OGTT test in healthy 20 year olds:
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/28/7/748.abstract
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I stoped reading at the first sentence
"Normal individuals ingesting a low carbohydrate diet frequently develop an impairment of glucose tolerance as measured by the oral glucose tolerance test;"
I then glanced and found it was a LCLF experiment
most people wouldn't have LCLF for any length of time, a diet of salad would have salad dressing, and a protein like cheese chicken etc

what is the min carb requirement for the days before a OGTT, it's official there is no disputing it
 
 
NoCrbs4Me said:
Read the whole thing, then comment. :facepalm: It won't take long.
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this is why they have the min carb of 150g for a few days before the test, to have it standardised.
in post 2 I said
unless you were very low carb diet prior to this, the test shows you have diabetes by the glucose response,
in post 4 I said
a normal diabetic has fasting over 7 and after the sugar drink, over 11 at 2 hour, eating over 150g of carb per day for a few days before the sugar drink test.

then you joined into the discussion with what I considered an argumentative attitude
but I also read the first sentence of the LCLF full report, that agrees with the LCHF link that you ridiculed, it seems you just want to be pedantic on all accounts
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/28/7/748.full.pdf+html

I think it's time you rethought your posts
 
jack412 said:
this is why they have the min carb of 150g for a few days before the test, to have it standardised.
in post 2 I said
unless you were very low carb diet prior to this, the test shows you have diabetes by the glucose response,
in post 4 I said
a normal diabetic has fasting over 7 and after the sugar drink, over 11 at 2 hour, eating over 150g of carb per day for a few days before the sugar drink test.

then you joined into the discussion with what I considered an argumentative attitude
but I also read the first sentence of the LCLF full report, that agrees with the LCHF link that you ridiculed, it seems you just want to be pedantic on all accounts
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/28/7/748.full.pdf html

I think it's time you rethought your posts
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Read the whole thing, then comment. :facepalm: It won't take long.
 
too nutty for me mate, I'm finished

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and I doubt if you read the 'full' report or you would have linked it like I did it my above post
 
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