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Newly Diagnosed Type 2

zaphod37

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Newcastle
Type of diabetes
Type 2
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Tablets (oral)
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My doctor just rang me with the news that I am a mild type 2 diabetic. She wants to see me this Thursday but from the conversation I had with her she said I didn't need to home test but that she wants to refer me to a 'desmond program'. I don't need medication right now and will try and treat this by diet only. She also said I will be tested again in a few months.

Thing is, if I don't test my blood sugar, how will I know weather my diet is working?
Do you think I should get a meter anyway?

I guess I will find out more on Thursday

I am a wee bit stunned right now but I will calm down soon.

Mark
 
zaphod37 said:
Thing is, if I don't test my blood sugar, how will I know weather my diet is working?
Do you think I should get a meter anyway?

Excellent questions and they are ones we have all asked.

Since the NHS does not seem to have a recommended diet appropriate to diabetics and they tell you not to test I wonder why they diagnose you in the first place. Got to get your jollies somewhere I suppose.

If you wish to know the effect of food on your blood sugar then you will definitely need a meter.
 
Thanks for your reply squire, I will hang on until Thursday see I if cant pry open their purse strings a little but I think even if they refuse me a meter I will go ahead and buy one anyway. I noticed by having a nose around the forum and web in general that a lot of folk keep food diaries to help them keep track of how food effects there blood sugar. It makes sense to me so I think that's my plan for now.

It didn't help that I was about to have a slice of peperoni pizza when she rang :oops:

Mark
 
zaphod37 said:
Thing is, if I don't test my blood sugar, how will I know weather my diet is working?
Do you think I should get a meter anyway?

Mark ask questions, write them down and ask. Although I was diagnosed in Feb I'm new to this and have learned heck of a lot the last couple of days I've posted on here, and what I would say any question you can think of from now till Thursday write down and ask your doc, I know I will from now on and the one question I'll be asking next is the same as you; How do I know if something is effecting my levels if I'm not testing myself from one hospital blood test to the next. My docs have stated that my levels aren't going down enough, should be lower than 7 but it's at 8 at the moment but how do I know such a food isn't keeping it at that if I don't test and they don't ask what I'm eating
 
According to my DN before meals you should be between 4-7 and after 5-9 but without a testing kit you don't know what you are I was lucky and got mine of my DN she is awesome
But if I go as low as 4 I start hypo symptoms scary stuff for me


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I have been talking to a friend who has been diabetic since she was a teenager, she said I should use a meter if only to find out how certain foods effect me. She said she has an unused aviva kit she is going to bring it over for me and show me how to use it. Shegets her meds and such on precscription but she got the aviva thing as a freebie so she said I might as well have it.

Thanks for the advice folks, its going to take me a wee while to get my head round it as I never was the sharpest tool in the box LOL. So the medical staff need some patience with this patient :P

Mark
 
Good luck
I am also very new to being diabetic only been about 3mths but I unfortunately have to take medication to control mine :-(
The testing machines are really easy to use and come in really handy
Try and switch to brown everything I:e pasta rice and bread make sure it's granary
Watch your fat intake as well as sugar

Good luck :-)


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Zaphod,

I am in a similar situation to you and was diagnosed last October. I have been on the X-PERT Diabetes programme, which is similar to DESMOND.

Many T2s are overweight or obese when diagnosed, I was and have lost over 20kg since this time last year. Having a healthy weight is a key part of managing T2 DM as is exercise.

As for diet, look at the concept of "Glycaemic Index". It basically measures how quickly a particular foodstuff becomes glucose in your bloodstream. Foods are classed as High, Medium or Low. Mixing a low GI food with a high GI food, protein or fat results in a meal with a lower overall GI. So a properly balanced diet is what you need.

If you are a mild T2, time is on your side. Your doctor will monitor your long-term blood glucose levels with a blood test, possible every 3 months. If you follow a balanced diet, even the NHS recommended one, you will probably find that your BG levels will fall (I did).

I have been particularly strict (probably overly so) with what I will and will not eat and balancing every meal so I have recently bought a meter and started testing after sample meals. I have had a number of meals that would, in theory, spike my BG, but, so far, have been below 5.8 mmol/l at 2 hours.

As Netty says, brown or wholegrain everything. Generally, the more it has been processed, the less digesting we need to do. Look at higher-protein grains like quinoa, amarranth, and spelt. You can even get a wholegrain spelt pasta. Most fruit is fine - if you eat with the skin.

You could read Patrick Holford's "Say No To Diabetes", but take the dietary supplement advice with a pinch of salt - he has his own branded range of supplements! It does come across as a bit of an infomercial, but the diet side is close to what I have followed.

Many of the folks on here have far more advanced T2 DM than us so a lot of the chat on here is from the point-of-view of someone with much worse BG control, hence their metering and low-carbing. If you can do it without metering and with a more 'normal' diet, you are far more likely to stick with it long-term. If you start metering regularly, it is far too easy to become obsessed and an unexplained spike can actually be de-motivating.
 
Hi Zaphod and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask all the questions you need to and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Thank you for the replies

Since I was tested last Thursday, I have been cutting down on portion size and replaced snacking on walkers finest :P with Asdas green seedless grapes. I am going to continue to have smaller portions until I can get to grips with things. I intend to look into the diets more fully tomorrow when I get time. Hopefully I will have a better idea of what I am doing after Thursday.

Thanks
Mark
 
Because grapes are literally sugar in a skin bag if you think about it! I didn't realise how bad they are until testing to see my sugars shoot to 15mmol The problem is both me and my T1 partner love white grape juice....

Nuts are a good idea to snack on. I like fruit like you; I've been told berries are one of the safer fruit options x


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Hey littlewolf
Thanks for the answer to the grapes helps me out I haven't had any since being diagnosed as I love em and couldn't have only a couple lol
What sort of nuts are good to snack on or can it be any

Thanks in advance and sorry for hijacking someone else's thread lol


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Hi folks
I go to see my Doctor today to try and prise details from her. I have my wee notebook with some questions I want to ask. Thank you for telling me about the grapes, I thought I was being more healthy than packets of walkers finest prawn cocktail crisps :P now that I know I can pop into coop near the Docs and try and find some unsalted peanuts.

I will hopefully have a better idea of what i am dealing with once I have seen the doc today. I can let you know what she said once I get back.

Thanks for the help and guidance folks.
Mark
 
ok so I just got back from docs, she said my Hba1c test came back at 62 and after getting my weight (13st) and height (5ft 3in short guy) concluded my ideal weight should be 11st.

She is has made an appointment for me with Maureen the DN (better than the blokes with glasses) for Wednesday next week and has referred me to the DESMOND team. I can also speak to a dietician if in wish to. She also gave me a foot exam. She did say that it isnt needed to self test as my diabetes is mild ans she is confident that with working together I can get the levels down.

She did say i will be reviewed on a 3 monthly basis for now unless anything changes.

So she said that diet and exercise is the key.

Fingers crossed that this works.

Mark
 
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