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Newly diagnosed

Swan13

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Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Non-insulin injectable medication (incretin mimetics)
Hi - I am 56 and was diagnosed yesterday with Type 2 after a fasting blood test with a reading of 8.3 (67mmol). I have only had one test though and on reading the web it would appear that at least two blood tests are required. My GP has prescribed metformin SR 500mg to start with. My cholesterol is 4.4 but he has suggested I consider taking statins. Could anyone advise me on the following from their experience please
1. Should I ask for a second blood test before going straight onto medication
2. If my cholesterol is low are statins a good idea. What are the pros and cons?
3. Is 8.3 reversible with life style changes?

Many Thanks
 
Welcome to the forum @Swan13

I'm going to tag @daisy1 as she has some excellent information that you should find useful.
 
@Swan13

Hello and welcome to the forum :)

I am sure you will get some answers to your questions soon. In the meantime, here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi - I am 56 and was diagnosed yesterday with Type 2 after a fasting blood test with a reading of 8.3 (67mmol). I have only had one test though and on reading the web it would appear that at least two blood tests are required. My GP has prescribed metformin SR 500mg to start with. My cholesterol is 4.4 but he has suggested I consider taking statins. Could anyone advise me on the following from their experience please
1. Should I ask for a second blood test before going straight onto medication
2. If my cholesterol is low are statins a good idea. What are the pros and cons?
3. Is 8.3 reversible with life style changes?

Many Thanks

Welcome

1. Yes, in my opinion you should, just to make sure. No harm in doing it
2. If your overall cholesterol numbers are good, then in MY experience (and this is just me) no. Some say they're fine, many others don't
3. Yes. Exercise, weight loss (if it's needed) and cutting out carbs, sugars and eating food that disagrees with many diabetics.

That means no potatoes, pasta, fructose rich fruits, wheat, pastries and a few other "no nos". Long learning journey ahead for you but you have come to the right place. We're here to advise and offer options.

Wait for @daisy1 , read around and ask whatever you wish. Meantime, tell us about your diet

good luck

Mike :)
 
Hi Mike
Thanks for the quick response and advice

I do need to loose weight as my BMI is currently above 30 , family history of being over weight, so am now trying to do an hours walking a day with the dog - so far seems to be making a difference as have lost a stone in 5 months but I know I need to speed that up if I can.

High blood pressure is a family problem but mine is under control on medication - average reading of 117/81.

Thought diet was ok , but after reading logs etc realise it has to change. Am a non drinker, don't smoke and don't eat much red meat. However do eat a lot of pastries, white bread, cheese, rice, pasta and poultry. Also tend to snack in between meals usually biscuits / crisps.

Have first appointment with diabetic nurse on Monday so am hoping she will give me diet sheet etc
 
Hi Mike
Thanks for the quick response and advice

I do need to loose weight as my BMI is currently above 30 , family history of being over weight, so am now trying to do an hours walking a day with the dog - so far seems to be making a difference as have lost a stone in 5 months but I know I need to speed that up if I can.

High blood pressure is a family problem but mine is under control on medication - average reading of 117/81.

Thought diet was ok , but after reading logs etc realise it has to change. Am a non drinker, don't smoke and don't eat much red meat. However do eat a lot of pastries, white bread, cheese, rice, pasta and poultry. Also tend to snack in between meals usually biscuits / crisps.

Have first appointment with diabetic nurse on Monday so am hoping she will give me diet sheet etc

My pleasure :)

That BMI figure is important so thanks for sharing .... you've made a good start. Just continue with it, but of course, diet will be a huge contributing factor. Do it every day, rain, hail or shine. Pain in the neck, but it WILL work. Up that work rate and you'll feel a LOT better. Just do it gradually mind you. This ain't a marathon, just a journey and when you see a little bit coming off here and there, you'll take immense pride in what you can do :)

Out of that list, poultry is OK as is the cheese. The rest is questionable at best. Some (and brother I stress that word "some") might be able to get away with small portions of bread, rice, pasta and maybe even pastries but for MANY, they are murder. I would dump them bit by bit ... and biscuits / crisps are just out of the question ... in my opinion again.

Do not eat cereals (full of sugars) and switch to eggs / bacon / mushrooms (for example) eat a lot of fish and consume above ground vegetables. NO sugary drinks .... banned from here on in and I haven't had a drop for 12 months.

You'll get there :) Stick around.

Mike
 
You also need to get a meter / strips to test your blood sugar levels so you can check your numbers .... critical in understanding what food impacts do to those figures. Should have said that already :)

Mike :)
 
Thanks Mike , really useful advise
 
No worries. It is confronting but I got my numbers form "poor" to "non diabetic" in quick time (ref my signature details) so it can be done. This forum (and some patient considerable members) taught me that and I have never strayed from that path.

It is just not worth it. @Swan13 .....

Take good care. Mike
 
Hi All
Having now allowed all the initial info to sink in I just wondered what people's views were on whether to start taking the medication prescribed straight away or too wait a short period making life style changes first to see what happens. I've been put on medication after just one Fasting test - thoughts?
 
Hi All
Having now allowed all the initial info to sink in I just wondered what people's views were on whether to start taking the medication prescribed straight away or too wait a short period making life style changes first to see what happens. I've been put on medication after just one Fasting test - thoughts?

How are you feeling? Do you have any symptoms of diabetes? Why did you go to the doctor> Why was the blood test done, and was in blood from your vein, or was it a finger prick test?

The
 
Hi AndBreathe

I'm actually feeling fine , and don't have any of the "classic" symptoms ( thirst, urinating a lot , feeling tired) which is why it came as a bit of a surprise though having said that I am overweight and my BMI high and know I eat too many pastries and dairy products. Fasting test was from the veins and done as part of a routine yearly health check.
 
Hi AndBreathe

I'm actually feeling fine , and don't have any of the "classic" symptoms ( thirst, urinating a lot , feeling tired) which is why it came as a bit of a surprise though having said that I am overweight and my BMI high and know I eat too many pastries and dairy products. Fasting test was from the veins and done as part of a routine yearly health check.

I was completely asymptomatic when diagnosed too, so I appreciate how left field it all feels.

But, your fasting level is in the diabetic range. Whilst two tests are usual, I was diagnosed from one, followed up by a different test a little later on. I would say, my diagnostic figures are fairly close to my own, and I have been able to reduce my results considerably by making changes to my eating and trimming up. My GP is one of those who likes to defer any medication for a couple of months, provided the patient feels well. Many go straight to medication.

On the upside, Metformin acts as an appetite suppressant, and helps our body use it's own insulin more effective;y, so if your BMI is high and you need to make changes to what you eat, it could be very helpful.

Similarly, most diabetics are offered statins as diabetes carries an increased risk of cardio vascular disease. So, this may be the basis of his suggestion to you?

It's not my place to tell you whether or not you defer your medication; only you can make that decision. I seem to recall, reading your other thread, that you have an appointment with the nurse in a few days now? I'm sure she will have a view on all of this too.

So, maybe time to start trying to get your head around the diagnosis, and planning how you intend to eat. At your appointment with the nurse, ask her to prescribe you a blood glucose meter and testing strips, so that you have valuable insights into how you are coping with what you are eating.
 
Thanks AndBreathe - very useful
 
Hi definately have a good think about the medication as with a few changes, like cutting down on or trying to cut out as many carbs as you can will get your BS coming down. It took me 11 months to get down to pre diabetic and now I am doing LCHF which will hopefully bring it down more. Make sure to get yourself a meter so you can get a good understanding of how the food you are eating is impacting on your BS. Please keep us informed about what happens with your appointment with the diabetic nurse. She might very well give you a diet sheet but it will most probably contradict a lot of what you will read on the forums.
 
Be aware that many GP practice staff do not like LCHF diets...
I would advise taking any diet information away with you without questioning it initially... Have a read at home and make up your mind in your own time.

Most NHS persons (not all) advice eating carbs at every meal. The best way is not to for many, many people.

It is up to you as to whether you decide to take meds...they cannot force you to take them.

You need a full lipid breakdown before deciding to take statins.

Please ask your DSN for a print off of your blood test results. Tell her you would like a copy so you can keep them as a record to improve everything and to take control of your diabetes and cholesterol and the print off will be a constant reminder for you to stick to improvements......
 
Thanks guys - really appreciate the support
 
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