NHS Dietician or Nutritional Therapist ?

[ButtterflyLady]

The 3 hours/1 day nutrition training at med school thing is a bit of an urban myth. Doctors get quite a bit of nutrition training, it's just that it's not training in the kind of things we want to hear. It's about the dietary needs of specific diseases, and that there is a wide range of foods that are good for humans, and that in the absence of certain diseases, optimal weight is maintained by consuming roughly the same amount of energy as you expend. Doctors are expected to stay up to date with new developments, and as low carbing research becomes more accepted and more prevalent, they will learn about it.

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

I've read that before.
Some on here have said they get a three hour lecture.

Mine trained for 10 years.
Maybe she did more than one rainy Tuesday morning in the ten years she trained for.
Maybe she didn't.

You should ask her.

Nobody?
Darwinism tends to suggest otherwise.

Well, I know what the optimal human diet is, but most people don't agree with me.

 

[SunnyExpat]

The 3 hours/1 day nutrition training at med school thing is a bit of an urban myth. Doctors get quite a bit of nutrition training, it's just that it's not training in the kind of things we want to hear. It's about the dietary needs of specific diseases, and that there is a wide range of foods that are good for humans, and that in the absence of certain diseases, optimal weight is maintained by consuming roughly the same amount of energy as you expend. Doctors are expected to stay up to date with new developments, and as low carbing research becomes more accepted and more prevalent, they will learn about it.

The three hours myth sounds good when the doctor disagrees with the 3 hours googling before we see them though.

 

[SunnyExpat]

You should ask her.



Well, I know what the optimal human diet is, but most people don't agree with me.

Based on google?
Or your qualifications?

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

The 3 hours/1 day nutrition training at med school thing is a bit of an urban myth. Doctors get quite a bit of nutrition training, it's just that it's not training in the kind of things we want to hear. It's about the dietary needs of specific diseases, and that there is a wide range of foods that are good for humans, and that in the absence of certain diseases, optimal weight is maintained by consuming roughly the same amount of energy as you expend. Doctors are expected to stay up to date with new developments, and as low carbing research becomes more accepted and more prevalent, they will learn about it.

Is it a myth?

"On average, students received 23.9 contact hours of nutrition instruction during medical school (range: 2–70 h)."

and

"most graduating medical students continue to rate their nutrition preparation as inadequate."

From:
Status of nutrition education in medical schools:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430660/

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

Based on google?
Or your qualifications?

Based on Darwinism.

 

[SunnyExpat]

Is it a myth?

"On average, students received 23.9 contact hours of nutrition instruction during medical school (range: 2–70 h)."

and

"most graduating medical students continue to rate their nutrition preparation as inadequate."

From:
Status of nutrition education in medical schools:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430660/

I only go for the NHS in the UK, maybe Canada lags behind?

 

[SunnyExpat]

Based on Darwinism.

Nah, just opinion, not fact.
Until you qualify, I'm afraid it's your googled opinion.
(and I'm probably with 'most people' as well)

Oddball diets don't appeal to me much.

 

[ButtterflyLady]

Is it a myth?

"On average, students received 23.9 contact hours of nutrition instruction during medical school (range: 2–70 h)."

and

"most graduating medical students continue to rate their nutrition preparation as inadequate."

From:
Status of nutrition education in medical schools:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430660/

Things may have changed since 2006. The article was about US medical schools, not UK or NZ. 23.9 hours =/= 3 hours. Who is to say 23.9 contact hours is inadequate anyway? Students also spend their own time studying nutrition at home. While serving as interns, they get hands-on nutrition education along with everything else.

This is a myth promulgated by people who believe in things like "leaky gut syndrome" (which has no scientific evidence to support it) and who are anti-medicine. It is then picked up and believed by people without question. I am not knocking any of you for believing it, I am just letting you know another side of the story. Further info about these types of myths can be found below. This myth is no.17 on the list:
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/defen...ine_44_doctor-bashing_arguments_and_rebuttals

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

Things may have changed since 2006. The article was about US medical schools, not UK or NZ. 23.9 hours =/= 3 hours. Who is to say 23.9 contact hours is inadequate anyway? Students also spend their own time studying nutrition at home. While serving as interns, they get hands-on nutrition education along with everything else.

This is a myth promulgated by people who believe in things like "leaky gut syndrome" (which has no scientific evidence to support it) and who are anti-medicine. It is then picked up and believed by people without question. I am not knocking any of you for believing it, I am just letting you know another side of the story. Further info about these types of myths can be found below. This myth is no.17 on the list:
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/defen...ine_44_doctor-bashing_arguments_and_rebuttals

Well, the graduating doctors themselves thought their nutritional training was inadequate: "most graduating medical students continue to rate their nutrition preparation as inadequate." Surely you are not suggesting doctors are wrong about something!?!?!?!?!?!

 

[ButtterflyLady]

Well, the graduating doctors themselves thought their nutritional training was inadequate: "most graduating medical students continue to rate their nutrition preparation as inadequate." Surely you are not suggesting doctors are wrong about something!?!?!?!?!?!

That doesn't prove anything. I have said both positive and negative things about doctors here. Doctor-bashing along the lines of saying they don't know enough about nutrition is silly, IMO. They know what they need to know, and refer people to dieticians when they need to, and when resources allow.

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

That doesn't prove anything. I have said both positive and negative things about doctors here. Doctor-bashing along the lines of saying they don't know enough about nutrition is silly, IMO. They know what they need to know, and refer people to dieticians when they need to, and when resources allow.

It's just my opinion, backed up by my experience and some scientific research. It's probably just as well doctors don't have much nutritional training. I don't need my doctor telling me to eat porridge, margarine, low fat cheese, 45-60% carbohydrates, etc.

 

[SunnyExpat]

It's just my opinion, backed up by my experience and some scientific research. It's probably just as well doctors don't have much nutritional training. I don't need my doctor telling me to eat porridge, margarine, low fat cheese, 45-60% carbohydrates, etc.

Opinions.
Everyone has one.

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

Oddball diets don't appeal to me much.

Me neither!

 

[Celeriac]

The Newcastle Diet isn't something I'm willing to try, because I don't want all the chemicals from faux-food in my body. I may try Intermittent Fasting just to try to reset insulin sensitivity though.

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

The Newcastle Diet isn't something I'm willing to try, because I don't want all the chemicals from faux-food in my body. I may try Intermittent Fasting just to try to reset insulin sensitivity though.

That is also my personal objection to the Newcastle diet. And I think intermittent fasting would be much healthier than going on a starvation diet.

 

[Celeriac]

That is also my personal objection to the Newcastle diet. And I think intermittent fasting would be much healthier than going on a starvation diet.

I'm surprised that a scientist advocates such **** but maybe I shouldn't be, because he was trying to replicate bariatric surgery for a study, not create a diet.

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

I'm surprised that a scientist advocates such **** but maybe I shouldn't be, because he was trying to replicate bariatric surgery for a study, not create a diet.

I think it was partially sponsored by the meal replacement manufacturer or something like that. I don't think he intended his study to turn into a "diet".

 

[SunnyExpat]

I think it was actually a meal replacement 'diet' originally.

 

[photognut]

The Newcastle Diet isn't something I'm willing to try, because I don't want all the chemicals from faux-food in my body. I may try Intermittent Fasting just to try to reset insulin sensitivity though.

I think it was partially sponsored by the meal replacement manufacturer or something like that. I don't think he intended his study to turn into a "diet".

In all fairness, don't knock it, until you've tried it

After managing to control my carb intake during the day with good levels, it was all sabotaged with high morning readings.... The only thing that stopped the overnight glucose production was the Newcastle Diet 500 - 600 calorie intake of low carb, fresh, organic food. I didn't use sachets as I have a real problem with the consumption of any processed ****. I no longer take any diabetic drugs, my liver stopped the overnight glucose production 3 weeks into the diet and I haven't felt so well in a long time