I'm hoping that was a joke.Very balanced report by Lewis Goodall
I'm hoping that was a joke. I hope people can see through the deception, because that's what I think is going on.
The spending plan means the £114bn-a-year budget will rise by more than 3% a year on average in the next five years.
That will mean by 2023 the budget will be £20bn a year more than it is now once inflation is taken into account.
But crucially the plan just covers front-line budgets overseen by NHS England.
About a tenth of the overall health budget is held by other bodies for things such as training and healthy lifestyle programmes, including stop smoking services and obesity prevention programmes.
I can see good cop, bad cop. For sure!I'm hoping that was a joke.
That seems to imply that the U.K will not have to pay for any deal that is made with the E.U. I've always felt that the view that the U.K will have it's cake and eat it is actually going to cost us money, not save us money, in the same way Norway pays for it's E.U. privileges and like Norway we will not have any representation.
Although the numbers may make sense, they don't when you start looking at the cost of leaving the E.U. if we don't get a free trade deal.
Shall we discuss the W.T.O.? Liam Fox seems to think that we will carry on as we did within the E.U., that's not what the WTO think.
What about Farmers subsidies, they all seem to have been promised that the U.K. government will pay those subsidies.
The fishing industry? We sell 75% of our fish to the E.U. and E.u. fishermen are suggesting that if our fishing industry expect access to the E.U. market then their fishermen expect access to U.K. waters. Oops! Only now U.K. fishermen don't get their subsidy unless the U.K. government cough up.
Then there is regional funding, something Cornwall, the North East, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland did O.K. with, you can use Google to check the amounts paid by the E.U. and something those regions expect the U.K. government to continue paying.
It certainly doesn't mention the money that we "owe" the E.U. because of promises made back in 2013 and which the E.U. quite reasonably expect us to pay.
What about the "open skies agreement", just looking at the U.S. - U.K. routes, if an agreement isn't made before March 2019, there will be no flights because airlines like Virgin and British Airways are not British owned. The way Trump behaves means that he could overrule the agreement that we are told are close to being signed. And that's just flights to the U.S. Try buying a ticket to anywhere in Europe for after March 2019.
I automatically disbelieve everything politicians tell us, mainly from experience of the last 2 years.
Taken in isolation the figures being promised to the N.H.S. might tally with the savings in our club membership subscriptions. But go nowhere near the overall cost to the U.K. government. Sometimes I think Boris must be Theresa's special friend. I hope people can see through the deception, because that's what I think is going on.
Just read the BBC take on it.There is no increase, in real terms, taking inflation into account. And they are also increasing taxes to help pay for it. From the BBC news website:
this assumes inflation is less than 3% which, as we know, is unlikely in real terms, if the inflation figures arent fudged like they are now.
No mention of closing loopholes in unfair tax laws for millionaires and big businesses. This is not gift, or extra, it is less than the annual increase they give now for the NHS. I wonder if, as speculated, there will be an General Election in October?
Yes, the Social Care issue is obviously critical.Interesting little picture. It took Brexit to make the government finally realise that they couldn't expect to get away with what they had been doing. Under funding the NHS, or at least cutting back on funding increases. Maybe not a bad thing after all. It's only my opinion but I just felt the report, although interesting, overlooked the other facts that would make this affirmation of the Boris Bus not look so rosy. I'm worried that it's upbeat tone may think everything is rosy in post Brexit land and I hope it is. We still don't really know, and I fear neither does the government. In fact I think they have less of clue than we do. Now for the picture.
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I didn't vote Labour . . . . or Conservative. I have been known to spoil my vote because they're all as bad as each other and I never had a decent lot to choose from. I live in High Wycombe, Steve Baker is our MP, a hard Brexiter, a Tory (least of his sins LOL) who wants the E.U. destroyed. Yet the constituency voted remain, how weird is that?
Funding is obviously an issue, we could make sports injuries funded by insurance, RTAs covered by car insurance, cyclists requiring insurance to cover their injuries if at fault, in fact anybody engaging in something slightly dangerous (parachute jumping, skate boarding) should have proper health insurance. Might go a little way. Possibly more important, proper funding of social care to free up hospital beds.
Details of how the public will be required to pay through tax rises, and the proportion of the funding increases they will pay for, will not be spelled out until the budget, because of ongoing arguments involving the chancellor Philip Hammond, Hunt, and No 10.
It is understood that a freeze on tax thresholds is being considered as one option to pay for up to £10bn of the extra annual cash injection. This would, however, mean another big policy U-turn by the Tories, who are committed to raising the tax-free threshold to £12,500 and increasing the level at which people pay high-rate tax to £50,000 by April 2020.
The independent Health Foundation cast doubt on whether the cash would be enough, suggesting any increase that fell significantly below the 4% extra a year that had been demanded by Hunt would not lead to improvements.
Anita Charlesworth, the charity’s director of research and economics, said: “Increases of 4% a year above inflation are the minimum needed to allow the NHS to improve and modernise.
For purely selfish reasons, part of me hopes thats when they have it - Ill be on holiday in Cyprus![QUOTE="lucylocket61, post: 1813789, member: 41885"I wonder if, as speculated, there will be an General Election in October?
It should at least be ring fenced to make sure it goes where it's needed.from the Guardian:
Its a tax rise, with no ring fencing of the money raised to make sure it goes to the NHS.
thats a4% increase above inflation needed, not just a weeny increase to keep up with inflation
They may ask diabetics to cover their lifestyle risks with insurance too. They are ignorant where blame is concerned.Interesting little picture. It took Brexit to make the government finally realise that they couldn't expect to get away with what they had been doing. Under funding the NHS, or at least cutting back on funding increases. Maybe not a bad thing after all. It's only my opinion but I just felt the report, although interesting, overlooked the other facts that would make this affirmation of the Boris Bus not look so rosy. I'm worried that it's upbeat tone may think everything is rosy in post Brexit land and I hope it is. We still don't really know, and I fear neither does the government. In fact I think they have less of clue than we do. Now for the picture.
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I didn't vote Labour . . . . or Conservative. I have been known to spoil my vote because they're all as bad as each other and I never had a decent lot to choose from. I live in High Wycombe, Steve Baker is our MP, a hard Brexiter, a Tory (least of his sins LOL) who wants the E.U. destroyed. Yet the constituency voted remain, how weird is that?
Funding is obviously an issue, we could make sports injuries funded by insurance, RTAs covered by car insurance, cyclists requiring insurance to cover their injuries if at fault, in fact anybody engaging in something slightly dangerous (parachute jumping, skate boarding) should have proper health insurance. Might go a little way. Possibly more important, proper funding of social care to free up hospital beds.
Let us know.I did read somewhere that the U.S. complained to the W.T.O. that the U.K. "subsidises" it's industries by providing it's workers with health care (not sure what they thought National Insurance means). The E.U. negotiated a deal with the E.U. to exempt it's member states and allow them to trade under W.T.O. rules. This could end after Brexit. I need to find a reliable source to back that up.
The government would be only too pleased to change the way the N.H.S. works.
So long as it's based on lifestyle and not medical conditions, bring it on! LOLThey may ask diabetics to cover their lifestyle risks with insurance too.
True.So long as it's based on lifestyle and not medical conditions, bring it on! LOL
Let us know.
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