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not cheating and not losing weight

Yai

Yai

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Location
Norfolk, UK
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hello all, I am on wk3 of Dr Moseley's blood sugar diet, but aiming for 1200 cals per day or thereabouts, psychologically freaked out by the thought of living on 800 cals per day.

Wk1 great -lost 5lb. Wk2 lost 1lb. We suspected we were enjoying the high fat recipes too much ! Wk 3 so far - down 1lb, down 0.4 lb, on 0.81b. I am disappointed as I expected a much earlier and larger reward for my efforts.
I should mention that my husband, non-diabetic and near perfect bmi, fat and water percentages has lost 7lb, even though he is still eating more starchy carbs to supplement the food I am eating,
Also, I attend 5 zumba and aqua fitness classes per week, and have lost 2" from my waist in 3 weeks.
I am wondering if I am not drinking enough, and my body is hanging on to all the moisture it can get? I am also mindful that " a pint of water weighs a pound and a quarter" so that stops me drinking sometimes.

I want to be more focused on better health than weight loss, but need some motivation today.
Thanks for listening.
 
I wouldn't be disappointed with that loss. When I was losing weight I lost an average of 2lb a week on 1200 calories and low carb high fat. It all came off, and I prefer slow but sure. Keep going. :) How are your blood sugars going? They are more important. Weight loss is a bonus.
 
The blood sugar diet doesn't work for me and I did it at 800 calories. I've done it twice now and both times the same thing has happened: I lose some weight over the first two weeks but my BG doesn't really change, then I have another two weeks with no weight loss and no change in BG. Then I give up. As soon as I stopped eating 800 calories I put back on the weight I have lost. Its not like I eat huge amounts of food which would explain a weight gain, it's just average low carb.

And, yes, I've got the same problem with my husband... perfect BMI and not D - weight just drops off him as soon as I start a new eating plan. REALLY irritating! LOL
 
TE="1802, post: 1393583, member: 94045"]I wouldn't be disappointh that losen I was losing weight I lost an average of 2lb a week on 1200 calories and low carb high fat. It all came offI prefer slow but sure. Keep going. :) How are your blood sugars going? They are more important. Weight loss is a bonus.[/QUOTE]

I don't currently test as both old surgery in Scotland and new surgery in England say not necessary. I am still considering whether reduced carbs and hopefully weight loss will be sufficient in itself to reduce levels, or whether I should be actively testing several times per day. I had an annual review 3 wks ago with full blood tests.
 
Yai said:
Also, I attend 5 zumba and aqua fitness classes per week ....
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Is that recommended with the diet you're on? From what I've seen, exercise isn't typically used in low-calorie diets, and is even contraindicated if it's very-low calorie, as the 800 calorie version would be. The concern might be that combining low calories plus a lot of exercise is going to push the body into starvation mode, where it's desperately holding on to every calorie.

Most of weight loss is also going to come from dieting, and exercise has a pretty small impact, according to the more up-to-date research. So it might help to exercise less, as weird as that sounds, and just focus on the diet.
 
I think most people on this forum will agree with me that the only way for you to know how your body reacts to any food or combination of foods is by testing regularly. If I am trying a new food I test before a meal then at an hour after and an hour after that. If the meal had carbs and lots of fat in I might even test at 3 hours because fat can slow down the spike.

On an average day I test seven times - on waking up, 2 hours after breakfast, before lunch, 2 hours after lunch, before dinner, 2 hours after dinner and just before going to bed.
 
Chook said:
The blood sugar diet doesn't work for me and I did it at 800 calories. I've done it twice now and both times the same thing has happened: I lose some weight over the first two weeks but my BG doesn't really change, then I have another two weeks with no weight loss and no change in BG. Then I give up. As soon as I stopped eating 800 calories I put back on the weight I have lost. Its not like I eat huge amounts of food which would explain a weight gain, it's just average low carb.

And, yes, I've got the same problem with my husband... perfect BMI and not D - weight just drops off him as soon as I start a new eating plan. REALLY irritating! LOL
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Oh! I am going to persevere as I have committed to making a difference to my health, and years of low fat eating was a constant struggle.
 
The only reason we are told testing is not necessary by our doctors/nurses is because if they recommended testing they would have to prescribe the means to do it, and their guidance from the powers that be is not to prescribe testing equipment to diabetics not on insulin or very strong medications. (Cost cutting). A meter and testing is the only way to learn which foods are suitable for us, and which cause our blood sugars to rise. Without a meter you will never know this. Eating to what your meter tells you is the path to good control.
 
ME_Valentijn said:
Is that recommended with the diet you're on? From what I've seen, exercise isn't typically used in low-calorie diets, and is even contraindicated if it's very-low calorie, as the 800 calorie version would be. The concern might be that combining low calories plus a lot of exercise is going to push the body into starvation mode, where it's desperately holding on to every calorie.

Most of weight loss is also going to come from dieting, and exercise has a pretty small impact, according to the more up-to-date research. So it might help to exercise less, as weird as that sounds, and just focus on the diet.
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Thanks for your feedback. I am not deliberately exercising to lose weight. I have retired after 40 years sedentary lifestyle at a desk or driving, and now enjoying the benefits of a swimming pool nearby. The zumba is "gold" low impact, so generally I feel much better for exercising (and a coffee with the ladies afterwards - no cake!) I appreciate your comments and will reflect on what you say.
 
Bluetit1802 said:
The only reason we are told testing is not necessary by our doctors/nurses is because if they recommended testing they would have to prescribe the means to do it, and their guidance from the powers that be is not to prescribe testing equipment to diabetics not on insulin or very strong medications. (Cost cutting). A meter and testing is the only way to learn which foods are suitable for us, and which cause our blood sugars to rise. Without a meter you will never know this. Eating to what your meter tells you is the path to good control.
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Thank you. I notice this site features promotions from companies offering free test meters . Do you know if this commits you to regular purchase of testing strips and lancets from them? I should probably bite the bullet and get one.
 
How tall are you, and what weight are you aiming for?
The reason I ask is because I personally am very small and for nearly 20 years tried to lose weight on 1200cals which is what is usually advised for 'women'. Then I joined weight watchers and lost my weight on their original diet years ago. My ideal weight is between 7 and 8 stone at 4ft 10ins, and to maintain this I need only about 850 calories.
This is almost impossible to maintain when on a night out I reckon you can have that many calories in a three course meal and a couple of glasses of wine. Just counting carbs doen't work for me - I just have to be more careful of all those lovely fats, so of course I am hungry all the time.
This doesn't solve anything does it? Maybe we will (well I will anyway) have to reduce the carb allowance by cutting out ALL below ground vegs, and all fruit apart from a few berries, oh and maybe stop the nuts as snacks. I am 9stone and in size 18 clothes so just a stone to go and two dress sizes then I'm on the boarderline of obese.
 
Yai said:
Thank you. I notice this site features promotions from companies offering free test meters . Do you know if this commits you to regular purchase of testing strips and lancets from them? I should probably bite the bullet and get one.
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Meters aren't expensive in the general scheme of things, and as you saw, some are free. However, you only need one meter whereas you need many hundreds if not thousands of test strips, so before you take the plunge you need to check how much the strips cost. They vary in price from around £7-50 to £27 for 50. The cheapest strips are the Codefree, and also the TEE2.
Try here for the Codefree meter
http://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/blood-glucose-monitor/

and here for the extra strips
http://homehealth-uk.com/all-products/sd-codefree-test-strips-to-be-used-only-with-the-sd-monitor/

Pharmacies don't sell them. There are discount codes if you buy in bulk and don’t forget to check the box that you have diabetes so you can buy VAT free.
5 packs 264086
10 packs 975833

and here for the TEE2
http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
The meter and accessories are free. The strips have to be paid for.
 
I wouldn't give up any diet because of a stall in weight loss over a few weeks.

I believe Voleck and Phinney (leading experts on low carb) don't consider it an issue unless the plateau has been 8 weeks or longer, and even then, their answer would be to cut carbs, not calories.

We didn't gain the weight over a month or two, so no reason to expect it to disappear that fast either.

Personally, i would be ecstatic to see weight loss of a pound a month, but i rarely even see that.
 
You said you lost inches as well. That means you've probably replaced some fat with muscle

Do your cloths fit better/different? Your body is probably adjusting to the new diet and new exercise and sometimes pauses weight loss until it feels comfortable to let some more fat go

For ME, calories don't matter as much as carbs. Anything over 20 carbs and I gain. Grains and all dairy halt that. I probably eat about 1000 calories and I am not hungry other than normal hunger at meal times. I lived 50 years watching the clock and hungry all the time. Then I discovered the magic in avocado. I eat some with every meal. The fat and fiber keep my blood sugars very low and slow. If you find the right fuel, like I did in avocado, you shouldn't be hungry all the time.
Carbs, even too many above ground veggies make me hungry. My meals are based around avocado and moderate amounts of protein and some above ground veggies. Then a little additional fat if needed. Large meals make me hungry too. Fluctuating bs makes me hungry.

I would persevere, try avocado, ( I eat half with celery for bf)
cut carbs and replace them with healthy fats. Zumba on!!!

My hubby is the same. Works in the garden for a day and loses 10#! I can run a mile a day for a week and not drop an ounce. I stopped that nonsense!!!
 
Yai said:
Thank you. I notice this site features promotions from companies offering free test meters . Do you know if this commits you to regular purchase of testing strips and lancets from them? I should probably bite the bullet and get one.
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Be carefully my dear low cost meter can mean high cost test strips would recommend the code free meter cost about 15 quid for the meter and the strips are 20 quid for 3 boxes of 50
 
Thank you everyone. I appreciate your feedback and help. I have ordered a Codefree meter, and ....... according to the scales, I have lost 0.8lb overnight! I have also ordered a book on carbohydrate counting ( for non label foods) so that I can work out what I am actually eating.
 
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