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Oh no.. another drug to sort a dietary problem...!

At least they state that half of all people who have heart attacks do not have high cholesterol. I've been banging on about this for years. I shall studiously ignore all guff until results from huge long term studies are in, if ever.
 
Cardiologist on Radio 4 news just now reaffirming lifestyle as the key and, in many respects, too many drugs and reliance on them the problem. Statins have "..marginal effect on those already with heart disease...".
 
Robkww said:
Cardiologist on Radio 4 news just now reaffirming lifestyle as the key and, in many respects, too many drugs and reliance on them the problem. Statins have "..marginal effect on those already with heart disease...".
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I caught the tail end of that piece and was gratified to hear that this 'breakthrough' should be taken with a pinch of salt.
I am now armed when my gp insists (again) that I take statins.
 
The key to this drug is its' anti-inflammatory properties.

As far as I know one of the major benefits of being in dietary ketosis is the anti-inflammatory effects.

Not sure how this scores over low level aspirin/ibuprofen and the like.
 
frankbegbie said:
Massive world overpopulation and they are constantly trying to make
people live longer.:rolleyes:
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I am willing to let you pre-decease me for the good of the human race. :rolleyes:
Your sacrifice will be much appreciated.
I would join you, but unfortunately I have a subsequent appointment,;)
 
The real news is that this is the first time that decreasing inflammatory has been proven in a double blind clinical trial to reduce risk, hence opening up new research directions.
 
ringi said:
The real news is that this is the first time that decreasing inflammatory has been proven in a double blind clinical trial to reduce risk, hence opening up new research directions.
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Indeed and as we know that the LCHF/Ketogenic diet reduces inflammation then....
 
The new treatment - which works by blocking part of the immune system called interleukin-1 - currently costs around £40,000 annually to treat a patient with the drug, compared to just £20 for statins.

No chance of this happening.
The NHS is on it's knees as it is.

But it won't stop the drug companies pushing it.
 
This drug is very expensive because there is no mass market for it....... Expect the price to come down to just below the level NICE will approval its usage at, and other drugs to be developed that target the same pathways.

I am also expecting that short term usage of the drug may have long term benefits, but to find out will take a lot more research.
 
Guzzler said:
At least they state that half of all people who have heart attacks do not have high cholesterol.
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While we're on cholesterol, apologies for hijacking, I'm attaching a graph that was put together by the British Heart Foundation and the World Health Organisation. It's All Cause Mortality against Total Cholesterol. The dotted red line is heart disease. The cholesterol units are in Mg/Dl which I converted to mmol/l. the numbers we're more familiar with in the UK. I've added the conversions to the chart at the bottom, bit cluttered but I tried.

If you can open it up and enlarge it (my PDF program lets me do that), have a look at bottom right, just above 230/5.4978 and it says Cardiovascular diseases and total cholesterol are weakly related.

It's dated 2002 but I've seen a much later version which I can't find, it was post 2010.

I managed to post this in the wrong place, sorry.
 

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DavidGrahamJones said:
While we're on cholesterol, apologies for hijacking, I'm attaching a graph that was put together by the British Heart Foundation and the World Health Organisation. It's All Cause Mortality against Total Cholesterol. The dotted red line is heart disease. The cholesterol units are in Mg/Dl which I converted to mmol/l. the numbers we're more familiar with in the UK. I've added the conversions to the chart at the bottom, bit cluttered but I tried.

If you can open it up and enlarge it (my PDF program lets me do that), have a look at bottom right, just above 230/5.4978 and it says Cardiovascular diseases and total cholesterol are weakly related.

It's dated 2002 but I've seen a much later version which I can't find, it was post 2010.

I managed to post this in the wrong place, sorry.
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I saved this to the cloud. Now then, what can't speak can't lie. Thank you David, much appreciated.
 
Guzzler said:
Thank you David, much appreciated.
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I wish it were more up to date.

Guzzler said:
I am now armed when my gp insists (again) that I take statins.
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Now you can take him a copy of that PDF. Two of my GPs are fine, the third can be more troublesome, probably because she doesn't know me so well. If she starts I'll be asking who is on the panel advising NICE about cholesterol levels and where do they get their money.
 
I think when the PURE study results are published it will show something very similar. This is what the ex head of the World Heart Foundation was saying in the talk that was quickly removed from the internet a few months ago.
 
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