Search
Search titles only
By:
Search titles only
By:
Home
Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
New profile posts
Latest activity
Members
Current visitors
New profile posts
Search profile posts
Log in
Register
Search
Search titles only
By:
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Install the app
Install
Reply to Thread
Guest, we'd love to know what you think about the forum! Take the
Diabetes Forum Survey 2024 »
Home
Forums
Food and Nutrition
Fasting
One for the science of fasting geeks :-)
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Message
<blockquote data-quote="AloeSvea" data-source="post: 1833013" data-attributes="member: 150927"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Many thanks for that [USER=48386]@Indy51[/USER]. Just read the Keto fasting mimicking diet piece.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I thought it could be helpful too, for anyone considering a Keto VLCD treatment. (I am considering this, so very helpful.)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Some thoughts on: "...actually starving, restricting calories for weeks/months/years at a time, or doing a no-food <a href="https://perfectketo.com/water-fasting-vs-fast-mimicking/" target="_blank">water fast</a>. These can lead to metabolic damage and are especially bad for people with underlying health conditions. But like we’ve said above, fast mimicking gives you all the benefits without these side effects. "</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I guess severe insulin resistance and blood glucose dysregulation counts as an underlying health condition? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">As someone who has done all those things bar the actually starving (thank goodness!), I found that initial cautionary tale to be a bit OTT. I have had high levels of hunger/hangriness during periods of not eating or low cal eating, and as you know Indy, I have been expressing my thoughts and feelings about those things for some years now <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />. (Eating in a restricted window of time has become a piece of p*** after all these years. No food fasting a lot easier, but longer fasts still challenging, but worth it for me to have festive HC food with family a few times a year. Recently upped to four times with a mid winter solstice feast with trifle and sugared pumpkin pie! As in 3-4-5 day no food fasts following such family feasts.) </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">But metabolic damage? It sounds so..... heavy! I wonder if it is that American thing of overkill in the warnings and call for medical support of fasting due to their sue-ing system? (I have to have a giggle when thinking of asking my GP, wonderful but conventional, to supervise me doing no food fasts. I think she likes to be in 'don't tell, no PLEASE don't tell!' category.) (She orders the blood lipid tests for me, but I do the reading and analysing of them.)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">It might be too, that if living with insulin resistance and BG dysregulation the idea that one can live with quite considerable metabolic damage, AND still do fasting regimes successfully, isn't too strange?</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">By successful IFing and no-food fasting, I mean giving the pancreas a break from time to time, lowering one's overall insulin secretion levels periodically, witness something akin to healthy fasting blood glucose readings (good for the shot of optimism!) - that kind of thing.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Anyway, thought I would just do some musings on fasting.... (I'm doing a no-food fast right now, a little delayed post the winter-solstice feast.) (and yes, already found a good keto pumpkin pie recipe for post fast! That will use up the leftover pumpkin puree. That won't hit me where it BG-IR hurts! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />.)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AloeSvea, post: 1833013, member: 150927"] [FONT=Arial]Many thanks for that [USER=48386]@Indy51[/USER]. Just read the Keto fasting mimicking diet piece. I thought it could be helpful too, for anyone considering a Keto VLCD treatment. (I am considering this, so very helpful.) Some thoughts on: "...actually starving, restricting calories for weeks/months/years at a time, or doing a no-food [URL='https://perfectketo.com/water-fasting-vs-fast-mimicking/']water fast[/URL]. These can lead to metabolic damage and are especially bad for people with underlying health conditions. But like we’ve said above, fast mimicking gives you all the benefits without these side effects. " I guess severe insulin resistance and blood glucose dysregulation counts as an underlying health condition? :). As someone who has done all those things bar the actually starving (thank goodness!), I found that initial cautionary tale to be a bit OTT. I have had high levels of hunger/hangriness during periods of not eating or low cal eating, and as you know Indy, I have been expressing my thoughts and feelings about those things for some years now :D. (Eating in a restricted window of time has become a piece of p*** after all these years. No food fasting a lot easier, but longer fasts still challenging, but worth it for me to have festive HC food with family a few times a year. Recently upped to four times with a mid winter solstice feast with trifle and sugared pumpkin pie! As in 3-4-5 day no food fasts following such family feasts.) But metabolic damage? It sounds so..... heavy! I wonder if it is that American thing of overkill in the warnings and call for medical support of fasting due to their sue-ing system? (I have to have a giggle when thinking of asking my GP, wonderful but conventional, to supervise me doing no food fasts. I think she likes to be in 'don't tell, no PLEASE don't tell!' category.) (She orders the blood lipid tests for me, but I do the reading and analysing of them.) It might be too, that if living with insulin resistance and BG dysregulation the idea that one can live with quite considerable metabolic damage, AND still do fasting regimes successfully, isn't too strange? By successful IFing and no-food fasting, I mean giving the pancreas a break from time to time, lowering one's overall insulin secretion levels periodically, witness something akin to healthy fasting blood glucose readings (good for the shot of optimism!) - that kind of thing. Anyway, thought I would just do some musings on fasting.... (I'm doing a no-food fast right now, a little delayed post the winter-solstice feast.) (and yes, already found a good keto pumpkin pie recipe for post fast! That will use up the leftover pumpkin puree. That won't hit me where it BG-IR hurts! :).) [/FONT] [/QUOTE]
Verification
Post Reply
Home
Forums
Food and Nutrition
Fasting
One for the science of fasting geeks :-)
Top
Bottom
Find support, ask questions and share your experiences. Ad free.
Join the community »
This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies.
Accept
Learn More.…