AlexMBrennan
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Or maybe it could be related to T2 in particular having rather ambiguous symptoms - "increased thirst"? What exactly does that mean? More than 4l per day? More than 10l per day? and it similarly isn't hard to see why people won't run to their GP and demand a test for diabetes when they get constipatedIt may be that men don't go to their GPs 'cos it can be a negative experience.
The first link quotes 750,000 and the Mail suggests 600,000 which is quite a difference. No matter how the study is put together, it's a guesstimate. I know of nobody who has been asked to take part in any of these tests.No the figures aren't drawn out of thin air , they use a model based on available data.
The number of undiagnosed is estimated by applying the results of screening studies to the population as a whole. Using the data from these studies they apply them to models that take into account the variations between areas, (age, deprivation , ethnicity etc)
Here is one of the studies that was used to develop the current model:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19573116 . In this study, of the people identified with diabetes, 18.5% did not know and were therefore undiagnosed .
There is a lot of data about prevalence diagnosed and undiagnosed by area and detail about the current model here (very technical) http://www.yhpho.org.uk/default.aspx?RID=81090
In the UK there is actually a far lower incidence of undiagnosed diabetes than many places and the numbers who don't know are going down because of better screening.
The IDF estimates that worldwide around half of those with diabetes don't know they have it.
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The first link quotes 750,000 and the Mail suggests 600,000 which is quite a difference. No matter how the study is put together, it's a guesstimate. I know of nobody who has been asked to take part in any of these tests.
)The model is more than a guestimate though of course any model will have errors. if you look at the other link I gave then you will see where the researchers think they are likely to be and the predicted variation.
If you reread the abstract you will see that this particular study was comparing it's results with the previous figure of 750, 000. This was in fact higher than found in this study
"In 2004 the prevalence of undiagnosed diabetes, and the proportion of cases of diabetes that were undiagnosed, appear smaller than in previous studies. This is likely to be due to increased awareness of diabetes and improved clinical care resulting in many of those with previously undetected disease having been diagnosed"
I linked to that study just to give an example but there are others that were used in developing the model.
As for not knowing anyone who has taken part in this sort of study;
Let me ask you whether you know anyone who has taken part in the Labour Force survey ? It's.one of the biggest surveys that takes place in the UK , far bigger than the type of studies used for diabetes prevalence. I certainly don't know of any friends or acquaintances that have mentioned it but I know it happens because I spent part of my life working for it. (even interviewed a few famous people but the official secrets act means I can't tell you who)
Luckily those of us who are overweight and lazy due to our simple moral defectiveness can hide ourselves amongst you more virtuous types. ;-)Yes, and think how much more annoying it is for those of us who ARE overweight and lazy, because of years of undiagnosed impaired glucose responses, causing the grinding low energy levels.
Bit late I admit I have just read an article that has all the hallmarks of a press release from the fear and panic generation division of the Diabetes industry about 3.8 million people in UK with diabetes. This figure --probably just plucked out of thin air --is said to include 600,000 people who ARE UNAWARE THAT THEY HAVE DIABETES !!! So "they" the "powers that be" or doctors or some other "workers" in the industry have found 600,000 people with diabetes AND KEPT IT TO THEMSELVES --- HAVE NOT HAD THE HUMAN DECENCY TO LET THEM KNOW. DESPICABLE. What is the world coming to. Or maybe the 600.000 figure has been plucked out of thin air to sex up this report in the Mail. I wonder what idiocy the June press release will contain. Tiresome.
model = guess with pre-defined limits and input parameters.)
lol ! I should have known better than to awaken The PhoenixYou win ( although I still sort of think it's a guess ;-)
Luckily those of us who are overweight and lazy due to our simple moral defectiveness can hide ourselves amongst you more virtuous types. ;-)
No labour force study for me to answer!!
Has anybody on here ever been MORI polled for anything? Or ever done any survey that hits the headlines..
I have had one study in 50 years that was something to do with the cost of living.. Meant to have been followed up in following years and never was...
Just would be intersting to hear anybody ever questioned..
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For estimates of a "known unknown" those numbers are reasonably consistent. An educated estimate rather than a guesstimate, I think would be fair.The first link quotes 750,000 and the Mail suggests 600,000 which is quite a difference. No matter how the study is put together, it's a guesstimate.
Lol, or how about "not accurate" ?For estimates of a "known unknown" those numbers are reasonably consistent. An educated estimate rather than a guesstimate, I think would be fair.
I see your point(s)... I don't blame fat lazy people... Just the food available nowadays. They don't even have cookery lessons in schools, many of them had their kitchens taken out... Although many now have gardening clubs... They then can't educate children about foods and more importantly nutrition.
I would love to go to a school and educate these kids that are growing up with ****. I dread the outlook for them becoming fat n lazy...
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Thats so good to hear!! Our cooking facilities in out school taken out in 1990's... They now having to find a way to re introduce them.My daughter is 13 and she has cookery lessons in school. She has a good varied diet, with fruit, veg, meat, fish and she has just asked if she can make a fruit salad, that's my girl :-D. She does have cake, biscuits or some sweets, especially at the weekend, as these things are more treat foods, not an every day occurrence. But I wouldn't stop giving her these foods, because she may end up eating them secretly :-( and that's not good. Lastly, she hasn't had any work done to her teeth, not one filling or any teeth out at allIt's hopefully getting the balance right.
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