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<blockquote data-quote="Mbaker" data-source="post: 2434582" data-attributes="member: 256617"><p>This is a very difficult question to answer due to the variables. Low carb for someone severely insulin resistant may need to be ketogenic levels.</p><p></p><p>Low carb for the mainstream tends be 130 grams or carbs maximum. For Low Carb Doctors they tend to settle at 100 grams. Ketogenic for Virta Health is 30 grams or less, for Dr Eric Westman it is 20 grams or less (as he wants to guarantee keytone production). Without going down this rabbit hole the gist purpose of low carb and ketogenic diets is to find the grams of carbs where you can fuel your lifestyle and have a cross over with your health markers well being - this needs to be individualised.</p><p></p><p>The P.E. diet is a hybrid approach which is meant to be diet religion agnostic, so can be used by animal and plant based people. Protein is the focal point due to its arguably superior profile than fat and carbs overall, where protein ingestion is attempted to get between 30 and 40% of total calories. I think the only flaw with the P.E. mantra is in the summary aspect of equating fat energy and carb energy as inter-changable, just because they both ultimately create atp. I believe the right amount of healthy fat wipes the floor with carb energy, especially in the context of a majority sedentary population. Higher glucose and insulin is positively associated with health degradation.</p><p></p><p>In short common sense is where it is at. Would one really expect great results with either too much cream in meals or high carbs. Many look to "game" their systems in either direction, so depending on goals the right balance can be struck; I knew my intake of nuts has been far too many, so have had to get to a point of satisfying the desire and amount.</p><p></p><p>I do believe the P.E. diet is the best overall, esepcially well suited to animal based diets, as protein and fat go hand in hand with great base foods such as beef, ribs, lamb and the like, so no thinking required. The p.e. ratio de-facto makes food choices better e.g. candy floss, so and so bars, cereals are out (good job).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mbaker, post: 2434582, member: 256617"] This is a very difficult question to answer due to the variables. Low carb for someone severely insulin resistant may need to be ketogenic levels. Low carb for the mainstream tends be 130 grams or carbs maximum. For Low Carb Doctors they tend to settle at 100 grams. Ketogenic for Virta Health is 30 grams or less, for Dr Eric Westman it is 20 grams or less (as he wants to guarantee keytone production). Without going down this rabbit hole the gist purpose of low carb and ketogenic diets is to find the grams of carbs where you can fuel your lifestyle and have a cross over with your health markers well being - this needs to be individualised. The P.E. diet is a hybrid approach which is meant to be diet religion agnostic, so can be used by animal and plant based people. Protein is the focal point due to its arguably superior profile than fat and carbs overall, where protein ingestion is attempted to get between 30 and 40% of total calories. I think the only flaw with the P.E. mantra is in the summary aspect of equating fat energy and carb energy as inter-changable, just because they both ultimately create atp. I believe the right amount of healthy fat wipes the floor with carb energy, especially in the context of a majority sedentary population. Higher glucose and insulin is positively associated with health degradation. In short common sense is where it is at. Would one really expect great results with either too much cream in meals or high carbs. Many look to "game" their systems in either direction, so depending on goals the right balance can be struck; I knew my intake of nuts has been far too many, so have had to get to a point of satisfying the desire and amount. I do believe the P.E. diet is the best overall, esepcially well suited to animal based diets, as protein and fat go hand in hand with great base foods such as beef, ribs, lamb and the like, so no thinking required. The p.e. ratio de-facto makes food choices better e.g. candy floss, so and so bars, cereals are out (good job). [/QUOTE]
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