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Pesky dawn phenomenon

Debmcgee said:
Holland and Barrett have a kg of sugar free for £5! Bargain


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Diagnosed prediabetic Easter 2014. Just left to get on with it, no guidance or help from GP. Every day I'm learning something new.
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which one is it deb? I can't see one at that price. I am going to order the coconut oil now it is back in stock so will order some peanut butter too
 
It's called meridian crunchy peanut butter. If you can't find in their website, try amazon. They do oil too x


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Diagnosed prediabetic Easter 2014. Just left to get on with it, no guidance or help from GP. Every day I'm learning something new.
 
I have noticed that the best way to check your blood first thing in the morning is to get up about 5 minutes after you wake up allowing your adrenalin to settle down first, then wash your hands thoroughly before doing your blood test.You will be amazed what a difference this makes.
 

Does BG really react that quickly? Wow.
Another experiment to do...
 

I found it - it is only the smooth that comes in 1kg jars - I was looking at crunchy. dilemma do I go for cheapest when I prefer crunchy?
 
I got crunchy in store in a 1kg tub do maybe they only do it in stores? Have a look at amazon instead as it's def been on there in the past x


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Thanks deb. My main reason for looking at holland and Barrett is they have buy one get
one half price but I will compare prices as amazon may be cheaper...


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Yesterday I got up, had a cup of tea then had my breakfast about an hour later. I tested before breakfast and my bg was 6.7. This is the highest fasting level I have seen. Normally when I do a fasting test I get up and test straight away. Today I got up had a cup of tea, a piece of cheese and some almonds. I tested an hour later before breakfast and my bg was 5.3. I didn't test on waking as I was low on strips but have had more delivered today so tomorrow will test on waking then before breakfast, with and without eating.
 
jim1951 said:
Had peanut butter again just before bed last night and this morning 6.2.

Not as good as the 5.5 but still a massive improvement.

Need to order peanut butter in bulk!!

jim
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Hi jim1951,
Really interesting observation here.
May I ask - did you have celery too last night or just peanut butter? - not sure if that would have any effect, but you didn't mention it so I thought I would just check.
 
Just been reading around peanut butter - I'm wondering if the 'active' ingredient is the p-coumaric acid. Research on rats suggests that it inhibits gluconeogenesis (basically it inhibits the liver from releasing glucose). It's also a derivative of cinnamic acid - which also has links with improved glucose uptake in the body (that is it reduces insulin resistance)
Who else wants to be a guinea pig for peanut butter research!
 
My readings when I first get up range between 4.8 - 6.5 (6.4, 6.4, 6.3, 5.9, 5.2, 5.4, 6.5, 6.5, 5.8, 4.8, 6.2). I then have a cup of tea on my way to work and then test before eating breakfast (1-2 hrs after first test). My pre breakfast readings are higher ranging from 5.7-8.8 (7.0, 7.7, 5.7,6.2, 8.8, 6.9, 5.9, 6.4, 7.0, 6.8, 7.6). Is this likely to be DP or the fact ive had a cup of tea with milk. Can't face the world until that first cup of tea so not sure I can go without
 


I'm not sure we can answer that, but you know how to answer it for yourself? If it's unacceptable to you, you could try eating something with your early tea and see if that helps. Obviously, that something would be a food known to have zero impact on blood scores. For me that might be an omelette.
 

Could be the cup of tea - certainly that will cause a BG rise.
I am guessing up to 3g carb for the milk in a large mug of tea, which on average would raise your bloods approximately 1mmol/l. Of course the other thing that could raise your bloods a little is just the 'stress' of travel - if you are driving etc.
I couldn't go without a cup of tea either!
 
Yesterday I had a cup of tea and tested an hour later before my breakfast. my bg was 6.7. I did the same today but had a piece of cheese and a few almonds as well as the tea. My bg was 5.3. Obviously the big flaw here is that I didn't test my bg on waking as I was low on strips. Next time I will test this too.
 
Bebo321 said:
Hi jim1951,
Really interesting observation here.
May I ask - did you have celery too last night or just peanut butter? - not sure if that would have any effect, but you didn't mention it so I thought I would just check.
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Bebo321
sorry for late update have been enjoying the sun and doing some gardening!!

This morning my reading was 6.0. So now I have 5.5/6.2/6.0.

Yes, at 2300 last night I had some peanut butter on a stick of celery! Not too much peanut butter as high in calories and trying to lose some weight!

I would add the following caveats to my readings.
a) I have only been testing for circa 3 weeks, but the morning readings have always been in the eights apart from last 3 mornings.
b) I have been on Metformin for 3 weeks, is this the cause of the drop in my morning readings?
c) I have reduced my intake of carbs over the last week, don't know if that has any effect?
d) If the drop is due to having a snack at 2300, would it work with anything or just peanut butter?

What I will do tonight is not have the peanut butter and report back tomorrow with my reading.

jim
 
If you design a study (without celery or flaxseeds please!) then I could try it. I'm off work following my cataract op so currently asleep after 12 and up again 6am (although may go back if I was up 'til 2am like yesterday). However, my waking BG has been only about 5.3 now for a week or so since going LCHF so I might not be a very useful subject. If anyone wants a guinea pig (another pig!!!) I'll give it a go.

BTW, where are you up to Brunneria? Are you stepping down as Chief Guinea Pig?
 

* Snaps to attention * (nearly poking own eye out)

Sorry folks - life has been intruding a bit, so less time on here - very inconvenient!

@jim1951 , I'm interested in your peanut butter late night snaffle -but only in so far as your experience is so different from mine! I ended up stopping the late night nut snack because it made no difference at all to my dawn phen readings.

For me, it seems to be the morning nut on waking that makes the difference.

So no single answer for all of us, unfortunately.

I must admit that I have eased off on the double test in the morning. I'm still eating Brazils at 6.45 am though! The testing seems a bit pointless nowadays, since I'm happy that it is stopping any BG rise.

Still haven't got the evening exercise going though.

Maybe I should make next week The week of the Cider Vinegar Before Bed.
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Sorry I startled you
 
Reporting in on my experiment with Olive Leaf Extract - it appears to be working. However, the weather is also noticeably cooler than it was when I was having fasting BG in the 7's. My fasting levels are now consistently in the low 6's again - phew! And the last couple of days, have been in the high 5's. So I'm very pleased and will continue to take a teaspoon of Olive Leaf Extract in water before bed.

I've never noticed any effect on fasting levels from Apple Cider Vinegar - however, it does seem to help with postprandial levels as long as I remember to take it before the meal.
 
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