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Sorry, I'm afraid I won't be signing this. As others have pointed out, it's poorly worded and makes blanket assumptions that all type 2's must need a very low calorie diet, which is far from the case, and in some circumstances could be downright dangerous.
I hate to rain on a positive idea, but these petitions are ten a penny. The wording has to be well thought out and spot on before it stands the remotest chance of getting before parliament, not to mention it needs thousands and thousands of signatures.

I would sign a petition that calls for the current dietary advice of starchy carbs being necessary for energy, and advocated to be eaten at every meal, to be scrapped.
 
Interesting that a lot of the papers today seem to be going the way we think about low carb and not the way the 'establishment' wants to keep the advice going.

The low cal part is just to lose the weight quickly which for me is great, I understand the resistance to the petition and that we react differently to different foods. Did pass tips onto the petition creator
 
JohnEGreen said:
To be honest the petition it self is for the NHS to encourage the treatment of type 2 diabetes with a low carbohydrate diet. full stop I see nothing wrong in that the rest is merely an explanation of the thinking behind the petition.
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Hi I was diagnosed Type2 at the end of March 2016 and have just finished the NHS 6 week xPert Course that my GP sent me on. It was very informative about diabetes causes and management and low and behold the NHS nurses and dieticians were recommending a low carb diet, ( avoiding starchy carbs - bread, pasta, rice and potatoes and processed foods inc cakes biscuits and crisps where possible) and to increase salads and other vegs, eat healthy fats and protein. So some parts of the NHS are up to speed - surprised the new Eatwell plate doesn't reflect what they are teaching on the course. If you haven't been on this course ask your GP I can recommend it and well worth the time spent there. 2.5 hours a week over 6 weeks.
 
Hi, my nurse said that she was recommending me for it and I asked if I still had to go if my diabetes had gone by the time it comes up (she said about a years' waiting list) - she is also of the opinion that diabetes is an incurable condition. Don't get me wrong she's lovely and listened (also has 2 diabetic daughters type 1 and type 2) so is a shame she's not looked into all this herself. Unless she has and is just giving the official line in her clinic. As you said, it's such a shame that while this is being offered, the rest of the system hasn't caught up yet.
 
Medical advice (thank goodness) is based on empirical evidenced science and not newpaper articles.

Petitioning the NHS to do something the newspaper's say to do is frankly, ludicrous.

I'll stick to recommendations from clinical experts thanks.
 
.......... I was under the impression that diabetes was for life. Yes, possible for a T2 to maintain normal levels by eating the diet which works for them - whatever it may be, but if you then go out and eat loads of carby sugary stuff, will levels not rise again??


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hornplayer said:
.......... I was under the impression that diabetes was for life. Yes, possible for a T2 to maintain normal levels by eating the diet which works for them - whatever it may be, but if you then go out and eat loads of carby sugary stuff, will levels not rise again??


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I think this is the conventional wisdom. We have to one degree or another a carbohydrate intolerance. The condition can be "resolved", the term used by GPs in the UK, but return to your old habits and the evidence of T2 will set about stomping back with a vengeance.


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george99 said:
Medical advice (thank goodness) is based on empirical evidenced science and not newpaper articles.

Petitioning the NHS to do something the newspaper's say to do is frankly, ludicrous.

I'll stick to recommendations from clinical experts thanks.
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I, and thousands of others, found out that following the recommendations from clinical experts led us down the road of worsening diabetes. I chose to do my own research, by way of self monitoring, and adapted my diet.
I have had non diabetic A1c's for a few years now. There is realisation dawning regarding the role of carbohydrate in the diet and how it impacts, so maybe one day, the "experts" will make the connection too.
 
george99 said:
Medical advice (thank goodness) is based on empirical evidenced science and not newpaper articles.

Petitioning the NHS to do something the newspaper's say to do is frankly, ludicrous.

I'll stick to recommendations from clinical experts thanks.
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Good luck, you'll need it. I don't listen to the clinical experts and I've been told that my HbA1c is the best of all the diabetic patients at my surgery. I don't want to hear that diabetes is a progressive disease and will lead to complications. I want to know how I can best protect myself from those complications, so I listen to other diabetics. They are the real experts because they really understand the problems I face.

Not all science is good science, especially that which has been funded by drugs companies.
 
george99 said:
Medical advice (thank goodness) is based on empirical evidenced science and not newpaper articles.

Petitioning the NHS to do something the newspaper's say to do is frankly, ludicrous.

I'll stick to recommendations from clinical experts thanks.
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The petition is actually made by people who are following the diet they are championing in the petition and lots of them have had very positive results and outcomes so the newspaper article is NOT what this petition is about but rather the research from the Newcastle study by Professor Taylor.

There are some brilliant videos here on dietary management and the science behind it. https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/category/lectures/type-2-diabetes-lecture-series/

Enjoy
 
I use the LCHF diet as recommended by GP and now of medication and no longer a T2. You will have no chance of influencing the Government because of the food industry and Pharmaceutical industry Lobby. There talking about using surgical stomach banding now for T2 on the NHS!! That is how extreme these folk will go to.... Just keep publicising success stories on here and social media as well as lobbying your MP.
 
Having experienced success with the Newcastle method, I can understand the enthusiasm to encourage others.
Yet, I still understand that being over zealous will have the opposite result. Newcastle diet will not work for everyone. Dare I say neither will any other method. Therefore I would be happier with the proposal in a petition to be that newly diagnosed T2 and pre-diabetes patients should be given information on possible management, be that Newcastle, 8 week blood sugar diet, LCHF. Then encouraged to find a method that works for each individual.

But for goodness sake, nobody should make the assumption that a method that worked for them will be universally successful, because some will be deemed failures when a method does not work for them. we with T2 have enough of that battering from HCPs.
 
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