PHE say NOF advice to eat high fat is irresponsible

I searched for the http://www.nationalobesityforum.org.uk/ & the first name I saw was Steve Pound, MP for Ealing North.

By a providential coincidence, he was scheduled to come to a diabetes meeting in Greenford Baptist Church, which I was attending. I was specially invited back after the last meeting because of my positive experience.

An observer from Diabetes UK was also there - she recognised me from a year ago at the Hounslow Diabetes group - where I promoted Trudi Deakin's "Eat fat - a guide to low carb living." She opened the meeting with a short film on the nature of diabetes. It finished up with the dread sentence "diabetes is progressive."

Steve introduced himself & answered questions. I had carefully prepared for the meeting & gave him a copy of the talk I had given 2 years before, & a few pages from the Public Health Collaboration report. This contact could be very useful.

I gave her my critique of contact with DUK, after recommending people contact her careling for advice. They don't get ongoing help from their doctors.

I don't think the message of last Monday had actually got through to those attending.

An interesting point, as in January, when the entry was made on NOF, they were promoting the Eat Like A Champ programme, and Change4Life. Low fat, healthy carbs.

So it's a complete shift to HF, I wonder if Steve Pound will be promoting the new direction, against all other establishment advice?

Dark Horse said:

Thanks but I'd already tried to find it and failed. Maybe next time time you quote something interesting you could provide the link at the time? It would be very helpful.

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http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/36/Supplement_2/S287
This is the abstract for the study I read, but I have not found it on the PHE site, so it may be I made a detour in my research from a link on that site. I know I came across it by accident as I was researching the PHE blogs, and I was surprised at the descriptions used which were much more technical than anything I had seen in the other blogs, but at the time I was not personally interested so skipped on. It was only later that it sank in what i had read, and made the connection back to the DCUK-BOT news feed.

Oldvatr said:

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/36/Supplement_2/S287
This is the abstract for the study I read, but I have not found it on the PHE site, so it may be I made a detour in my research from a link on that site. I know I came across it by accident as I was researching the PHE blogs, and I was surprised at the descriptions used which were much more technical than anything I had seen in the other blogs, but at the time I was not personally interested so skipped on. It was only later that it sank in what i had read, and made the connection back to the DCUK-BOT news feed.

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It does suggest it is effective, and not all about weight loss though.

A very interesting article. My first encounter with GI tract hormones lowering insulin resistance independent of weight loss. Do you by any chance know what these hormones are or have I missed it in the dense text?


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KevinPotts said:

A very interesting article. My first encounter with GI tract hormones lowering insulin resistance independent of weight loss. Do you by any chance know what these hormones are or have I missed it in the dense text?


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There are two that come immediately to mind: GLP-1 and SGLT-2. I believe that argenine is involved in the gut hormone process (in relation to muscle growth). There have been some links posted recently discussing the role of the gut enzymes, but my memory escapes me as to what thread they were posted in. I think Jason Fung has discussed these too in his blogs. We were probably discussing protein metabolism at the time.

Edit to add. The following is new info i found which may be relevant to your query
http://www.livestrong.com/article/423609-digestive-enzymes-for-diabetes/

Edit to add yet again: Here is the start of what Jason Fung writes on this
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/incretin-effect/

Oldvatr said:

There are two that come immediately to mind: GLP-1 and SGLT-2. I believe that argenine is involved in the gut hormone process (in relation to muscle growth). There have been some links posted recently discussing the role of the gut enzymes, but my memory escapes me as to what thread they were posted in. I think Jason Fung has discussed these too in his blogs. We were probably discussing protein metabolism at the time.

Edit to add. The following is new info i found which may be relevant to your query
http://www.livestrong.com/article/423609-digestive-enzymes-for-diabetes/

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Have you had a look at the FGF1 thread?

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/interesting-scientific-developments-in-t2-treatment.101881/

looks promising.

Oldvatr said:

There are two that come immediately to mind: GLP-1 and SGLT-2. I believe that argenine is involved in the gut hormone process (in relation to muscle growth). There have been some links posted recently discussing the role of the gut enzymes, but my memory escapes me as to what thread they were posted in. I think Jason Fung has discussed these too in his blogs. We were probably discussing protein metabolism at the time.

Edit to add. The following is new info i found which may be relevant to your query
http://www.livestrong.com/article/423609-digestive-enzymes-for-diabetes/

Edit to add yet again: Here is the start of what Jason Fung writes on this
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/incretin-effect/

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Thanks Oldvatr!


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SunnyExpat said:

Have you had a look at the FGF1 thread?

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/interesting-scientific-developments-in-t2-treatment.101881/

looks promising.

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Yes, certainly. But I remember the same sort of excitement that went with the discovery of SGLT-2 actions. That gave rise to new medicines that unfortunately are now showing adverse side effects in humans that were not detected by the animal studies, so we need to wait and see. Injecting substances in saline solutions directly into the brain may well give rise to other effects that mice may not be able to tell us about. But yes it is a start.

jpr3323 said:

Reports or no reports, it stands to reason, cholesterol clogs arteries, fact, (I should know after a quintuple bypass), cholesterol comes from animal fat. I'm sorry but it doesn't need studies or a nutritionist to connect those dots.

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I am always dubious about any claim that contains the phrase, 'it stands to reason', so perhaps you could explain the biochemical processes at work?

Hmm...thought not.