fatbird said:This explains a lot about type two diabetes.
The idiotic dietary advice we give to diabetes patients
It is true that in people who do not have diabetes, eating a high-carbohydrate diet probably does little harm – although there are some who believe that a switch from fat to carbohydrate in the diet has driven the current surge in obesity levels.
But in type 2 diabetes, a high-carbohydrate diet puts increased stress on the ß cells and will worsen insulin resistance. In fact, the only pathway the body has for getting rid of excess glucose – when liver and muscle stores are full – is to convert glucose into fat in the liver, then export this fat via VLDL/triglycerides to adipose tissue.
And this is a process driven by high insulin levels. In short, if you have type 2 diabetes and you eat a high-carbohydrate diet, you will push up blood glucose levels and blood insulin levels. You will also create hypertriglyceridaemia and, due to protein transfer from HDL to VLDL, a low HDL level. Which is the exact metabolic state now known to be associated with CHD – metabolic syndrome, or syndrome X.
Maybird said:I agree that we should take what we need from the forum and then make our own choices but some people are very undecided as to what they should be doing and are willing to try anything that is suggested.
That is why I think when it comes to diet advice on here people should be careful in what they say and how they say it and should always make the point that it works for them but may not be suitable for everyone. That is why I say sometimes it's best to check with the professionals as you do not want to do anything that could be harmful to you
read the context of this quotation, context is crucial.Here, for example, is a quote from Dr William Castelli, director of the Framingham study, one of the longest-running and most widely quoted studies in the world. ‘In Framingham, Massachusetts, the more saturated fat one ate, the more cholesterol one ate, the more calories one ate, the lower people’s serum cholesterol’ – by which he means LDL2.
read the sarcasm in the conclusion and then decide what Castelli really thoughtEventually, diet intervention trials were done, and where the follow-up got out beyond 3 years, they all show the same thing. The larger the percentage fall in cholesterol, the larger the percentage fall in CHD
Castellis views on sat fat are quite explicit. If you want to read them there is a long discussion here http://www.prescription2000.com/Intervi ... cript.htmlShould dietitians everywhere tremble? Has the magic bullet arrived? Is it the humble nut? Should fat people eat fat-rich nuts to lose weight and atherosclerosis, or do nuts only work in vegetarians? Should nuts replace oat bran as the shield that I can load up on each day which will let those hot dogs just bounce right off my chest, no trouble.
Will this article affect the stock market sending the lipid-drugs reeling when that well-balanced report appears in the Wall Street Journal? So many questions, so little time. In the meantime, hold the cheese, I will have my nuts (walnuts?) on whole wheat, please
tizzy said:I'm totally screwed I don't understand any of this thread
phoenix said:I would say (personal opinion) that the evidence at the moment still supports a diet lower in unsaturated fats but including sufficient omega 3 fats, as in oily fish, with few processed starches. It includes fruit and veg but also legumes and real whole grains (not the stuff in boxes of breakfast cereals with the big wholegrain labels!).
It's near enough a Med diet like this pyramid here and don't forget the exercise and enjoying meals with others that underlies the whole thing or even the wine in moderation! (traditional vegetarian Asian diets are also good but difficult for many of us)
http://oldwayspt.org/sites/default/file ... _flyer.jpg
(really am stopping now others were quite right to become perplexed but what I was trying to say in the previous post is that quoting out of context can distort the whole message as in this famous example)
"the most confusing, asinine, ridiculous —yet somehow addictively awesome — television show of all time."
The blurb hunters at ABC chose to abridge the quote ever so slightly. What appeared on TV screens was: "The most addictively awesome television show of all time" — Vanity Fair
Night Night!
brett said:bit lost too , but another thought I just had lol. People keep saying misguided advice from nhs to eat low fat, and have starchy carbs with each meal. isnt that so they can give the patient appropriate meds and a correct diagnosis to get their levels under control whilst eating a balanced diet. or, the other option to do low carb, have wrong meds, keep levels under control through low carbs, cheat on diet occasionally, (really), have occasional much bigger sugar spikes due to lack of appropriate treatment and cause more damage than having right meds, balanced diet. Bit like why suspected celiacs are advised to still eat what/gluten until an official diagnosis, and correct one is made.
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Andy12345 said:but i eat amazingly well, i just had roast beef, cabbage, brussels & green beans, followed by jelly and cream, now sucking on a piece of 90% lindt, i had my yogurt and berries for brekkie and as mentioned bacon butty on livlife for lunch, what am i missing? :thumbup: :thumbup:
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