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brett said:
bit lost too , but another thought I just had lol. People keep saying misguided advice from nhs to eat low fat, and have starchy carbs with each meal. isnt that so they can give the patient appropriate meds and a correct diagnosis to get their levels under control whilst eating a balanced diet. or, the other option to do low carb, have wrong meds, keep levels under control through low carbs, cheat on diet occasionally, (really), have occasional much bigger sugar spikes due to lack of appropriate treatment and cause more damage than having right meds, balanced diet. Bit like why suspected celiacs are advised to still eat what/gluten until an official diagnosis, and correct one is made.

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Brett I think you will find most type twos when diagnosed do follow the low fat balanced diet, the lucky ones turn up on forums like this when they realise it's not working.

When I was diagnosed I was give advice based on the NHS guidelines, the emphasis being on low fat and sugar nothing was said about the effect of carbs nor was I issued with a BG monitor . Not knowing anything about diabetes and trusting my doctor I did exactly as told and adapted my diet and cut the portions down, over time I ended up on max dose of metformin It's only when I moved on to glic and was given a monitor that i found out the real impact of carbs on my blood sugars. Since going low carb my blood sugars are kept low and I don't have bigger spikes as you suggest, not that a very occasional high spike is going to cause much concern. Knowing what I know now about the effects of certain foods I would say damaging spikes certainly happened over the two years while I was not monitoring my blood glucose and eating a balanced diet.
 
You make it all sound so simple Brett-wish you were right. Its as though you believe the recommended diet were written in stone and that every individual reacted in the same way and that every diabetic can be assessed by HCPs and the immediate correct diagnosis given . You also seem to think that there is some magic book in existence from which the HCPs can immediately find the right dose of every medication and that they will work in the same way for everyone for ever.

if only it were that simple! Is it yourself or others you are trying to convince?
Unless you are very lucky, finding your way as a diabetic is **** hard work. Unfortunately we are not machines or robots but humans. The best doctors are aware of this individuality.

Any sort of diet has to be adapted to individual tolerances. It would be great if we could take one standard diet as a starting point and then take one med which we knew would work and that we could trust all HCP's to be on the ball and that the pharmaceiutical companies could guarantee the safety of all their products for all . But this is the real world.

Welcome to it.
 
phoenix said:
Castellis views on sat fat are quite explicit. If you want to read them there is a long discussion here http://www.prescription2000.com/Intervi ... cript.html
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Interesting link and if his data on cholesterol is correct also reassuring for me at least. According him a HDL/TC ratio of under 3.5 and trigs below 0.7 mmol/L would indicate large particle size without the need for a VAP test.

My HDL/TC ratio is 2.53 and trigs 0.52 mmol/L :thumbup:
 
Dustybin said:
You make it all sound so simple Brett-wish you were right. Its as though you believe the recommended diet were written in stone and that every individual reacted in the same way and that every diabetic can be assessed by HCPs and the immediate correct diagnosis given . You also seem to think that there is some magic book in existence from which the HCPs can immediately find the right dose of every medication and that they will work in the same way for everyone for ever.

if only it were that simple! Is it yourself or others you are trying to convince?
Unless you are very lucky, finding your way as a diabetic is **** hard work. Unfortunately we are not machines or robots but humans. The best doctors are aware of this individuality.

Any sort of diet has to be adapted to individual tolerances. It would be great if we could take one standard diet as a starting point and then take one med which we knew would work and that we could trust all HCP's to be on the ball and that the pharmaceiutical companies could guarantee the safety of all their products for all . But this is the real world.

Welcome to it.
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ummm, why is Brett getting stick here?
 
yes we are flogging low fat folks tonight :thumbup: about time too, we are going to hold you down and make you eat butter
 
Andy12345 said:
yes we are flogging low fat folks tonight :thumbup: about time too, we are going to hold you down and make you eat butter
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White bread :lol:
 
Mongoose39uk said:
Andy12345 said:
yes we are flogging low fat folks tonight :thumbup: about time too, we are going to hold you down and make you eat butter
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White bread :lol:
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Now, thats one thing I struggle with lol, but, rarely used to have before and even rarer now. Levels shoot up and if medicated for 2 hour good readings, 3~4 hours later = hypo.

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Just teasing

They look so small, as if just one wouldn't hurt.

Funny how quickly the plate is emptied.
 
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