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Manny24

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Hi,

I HAVE BEEN TYPE 2 DIABETIC FOR 5 MONTHS STILL NOT GOT TO GRIPS WITH READINGS FROM METER TESTS OR HBA1.

FEB 14 2011 HBA1 TEST AT 8.1 ONE WEEK LATER GLUCOSE TEST 8.7 THEN 2 HOURS LATER 18.1
MAR 2011 HBA1 TEST AT 7.7
JULY 2011 HBA1 TEST AT 6.7 ONE WEEK LATER GLUCOSE TEST 4.8 THEN 2 HOURS LATER 9.4

I AM ON DIET ONLY

NURSE THAT TOOK MY TEST IN JULY SUGGESTED I WAS BORDERLINE CAN ANYONE SUGGEST WHAT I SHOULD BE LOOKING AT AS I KEEP GOING ROUND IN CIRCLES.

MANNY 24
 
Hi Manny and welcome to the forum :) It is all very confusing isn't it. One way I can help you though is to give you this advice for new members written by former monitors Sue and Ken. This should help you to control your levels as well as possible. It looks as though you have already been putting in a lot of effort to get your HbA1c's down. Maybe it would be a good idea to get your nurse to clarify if you are actually Type 2 diabetic - which your earlier HbA1c levels seem to suggest, or if you are borderline diabetic, because of your later levels. Possibly someone changed their mind because your levels have improved so much. The level at which someone is considered diabetic on the HbA1c test is 6.5.

Here is the advice that Ken and I, as Forum Monitors, usually give to newly diagnosed Diabetics. We hope that these few ideas gained through experience help you to gain control and give you some understanding of Diabetes. This forum doesn't always follow the recommended dietary advice, you have to work out what works for you as we are all different.

It's not just 'sugars' you need to avoid, diabetes is an inability to process glucose properly. Carbohydrate converts, in the body, to glucose. So it makes sense to reduce the amount of carbohydrate that you eat which includes sugars.

For more information on CARBOHYDRATE see here:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=20306

This is NOT a low carb diet suggestion, just a reduction in your intake of carbohydrate. You have to decide yourself how much of a reduction will keep your blood glucose levels in control.

The main carbs to avoid OR reduce are the complex or starchy carbohydrates such as bread, potatoes, pasta, rice, starchy root veg and also any flour based products. The starchy carbs all convert 100% to glucose in the body and raise the blood sugar levels significantly.

If you are on Insulin you may find that reducing the carb intake also means that you can reduce your dose of insulin. This can help you to keep weight gain down as Insulin tends to make you put on weight and eventually cause insulin resistance. This should be done slowly so as not to cause hypos.

The way to find out how different foods affect you is to do regular daily testing and keep a food diary for a couple of weeks. If you test just before eating, then two hours after eating, you will see the effect of certain foods on your blood glucose levels. Some foods, which are slow acting carbohydrates, are absorbed more slowly so you may need to test three or even four hours later to see the effect that these have on your blood glucose levels.

Buy yourself a carb counter book (you can get these on-line) and you will be able to work out how much carbs you are eating, when you test, the reading two hours after should be roughly the same as the before eating reading, if it is then that meal was fine, if it isn’t then you need to check what you have eaten and think about reducing the portion size of carbs.

When you are buying products check the total carbohydrate content, this includes the sugar content. Do not just go by the amount of sugar on the packaging as this is misleading to a diabetic.


As for a tester, try asking the nurse/doctor and explain that you want to be proactive in managing your own diabetes and therefore need to test so that you can see just how foods affect your blood sugar levels. Hopefully this will work ! Sometimes they are not keen to give Type 2’s the strips on prescription, (in the UK) but you can but try!!

For TIPS FOR STRIPS see here:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=19002#p173253

If you are an Insulin user in theory you should have no problem getting test strips.

The latest 2011 NICE guidelines for Bg levels are as follows:
Fasting (waking and before meals).......between 4 - 7 mmol/l...(Type 1 & 2)
2 hrs after meals........................no more than 8.5 mmol/l.....( Type 2)

2hrs after meals......................... no more than 9 mmol/l ......(Type 1)

If you are able to keep the post meal numbers lower, so much the better.

It also helps if you can do at least 30 minutes moderate exercise a day, it can be split into 10 min sessions to start with. It doesn't have to be strenuous.

The above is just general advice and it is recommended that you discuss with your HCP before making any changes. You can also ask questions on the forum on anything that is not clear.

Finally a few QUESTIONS TO ASK AT DIABETES CLINIC.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=17091



Sue/Ken.
 
Hello Manny,

Your readings have improved:-

FEB 14 2011 HBA1 TEST AT 8.1 ONE WEEK LATER GLUCOSE TEST 8.7 THEN 2 HOURS LATER 18.1
MAR 2011 HBA1 TEST AT 7.7
JULY 2011 HBA1 TEST AT 6.7 ONE WEEK LATER GLUCOSE TEST 4.8 THEN 2 HOURS LATER 9.4
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The July figures are getting there, so don't be too worried, HbA1c 6.7% is fine, and the glucose test is not so bad, 9.4 simply puts you in the diabetic range, you wouldn't normally dring sugar water (I hope :-) ) and the fasting before of 4.8 is good.

So, in my humble opinion, you either are or are not T2, there is no such thing as "borderline" in my book;
your tests would indicate that you are T2 and you are getting on top of it by the readings in July.

Keep up the diet and excercise and you should find the figures will come down some more, if not, then you might need some medication (Metformin probably) and don't let that worry you, Metformin has allowed me to be less strict with my diet and still keep my numbers down.

You will get the hang of it soon, just keep reading the information you find on here and elsewhere.

H
 
Please forgive me if you already know this, but I wondered if anyone had explained the difference between the meter readings and HbA1c test.
In case they haven't - the meter reading tells you what your blood sugar is doing right now at that second. It might well go either up or down from that point, eg even if your sugar is high when the test is done, you might not be high a few hours later.
The HbA1c is more like an average of what your blood sugar has been over the last 6-8 weeks. So it's a bit more of an indicator of overall health.
As Hallii said, you are getting better all the time - your HbA1cs are doing well. The glucose tests are just to see whether your body can cope with extremes of sugar intake. You know the answer now; it can't!
So ignore the glucose tests, the important thing is the HbA1c. That started at 8.1, then 7.7 then 6.7. That's great. A non-diabetic would expect to have an HbA1c of 6.0 or under. So you are coming down towards non-diabetic levels, and you are reducing your risk of serious health complications.
It's all good
Well done!
 
Hi, Manny. Welcome to us all here. your Hba1c results are coming down so that is both great and in the right direction too. Please dont worry too much with regards to this. Now your BG blood glucose levels are a little bit up and down slightly, its not severe just slight so please dont panic. As hallii above suggests keeping up with diet n excersise should gradually nudge these down a bit more. If not after a bit of time then, you might need some medication to help these to come down. Are you being referred to your practice nurse [PN] for this? It does take time to discover just where your BG levels hit and sit at. Keep a record of them and test fasting [upon waking after sleep] and 2-4hrs after a meal. Also write any questions down you feel/need to ask when you next vist the nurse. Keep in touch with us all and let us know how you go on . Anna.x :D
 
Anna X,Snodger,Halli,Daisy1,

:D I would like to thank you all for your messages i have taken into account all that has been said.

I will keep trying to get my HBA1C to below of 6.0 or under to get into the non diabetic range levels if possible as i want to try and keep off the tablets.

I have stopped keeping a daily diary of the food i am eating and the readings however will start again so that i can eat the food that keeps my bg below 8.5.(i normally get a reading of about 6.0 to 8.0 after spending 15minutes on the treadmill about 1 or 1.5miles).

i have learnt to eat less at dinner times and spread the amounts i eat over the day, and not snack after 10.00pm.

my daily routine is:

8.00 Breakfast 1.5 weeatbix and a cup of tea
10.00 Fruit
12.00 Sandwich on wholemeal brown bread ( tuna salad or Egg salad) A packet of Walkers lite crisp
2.00 Fruit
5.15 Cup Of Tea
6.30-7.00pm Evening Meal
9.00 Fruit or Muller Yogurt

this has kept me happy as i only used to have tea for breafast -maybe lunch-big meal in the evening-lot of snacks and sweets through the night. Which i am glad to say has all gone.

NO MORE FIZZY DRINKS UNLESS DIET ONCE A WEEK,I DRINK A LOT OF WATER OR VIMTO DIET.

ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU ALL ,

IF YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS THAT MAY HELP IN BRINGING DOWN HAB1C FURTHER I WOULD BE GRATEFUL

MANNY24
 
Hi Manny24, and welcome.

You are doing very well getting your HbA1c down so quickly. There are just a couple of things I would emphasise - you could try to cut your carbs a bit more; get yourself a carb counter book so you can work out exactly how many you're eating every day at the moment, and see if there's anywhere you could cut them a bit more - smaller portions of carb foods, maybe?

The other thing - like you I got my blood glucose levels quickly under control, and my levels are nearly at non-diabetic levels, with my last HbA1c at 5.3. But - I'm not, and never will be, non-diabetic. Neither you nor I can afford to let ourselves slip if we want to show the experts that diabetes need not be a progressive disease!

I'm determined to die still able to see that my feet are on the ends of my legs! :lol:

Keep up the good work :D

Viv 8)
 
viviennem said:
Hi Manny24, and welcome.

You are doing very well getting your HbA1c down so quickly. There are just a couple of things I would emphasise - you could try to cut your carbs a bit more; get yourself a carb counter book so you can work out exactly how many you're eating every day at the moment, and see if there's anywhere you could cut them a bit more - smaller portions of carb foods, maybe?

The other thing - like you I got my blood glucose levels quickly under control, and my levels are nearly at non-diabetic levels, with my last HbA1c at 5.3. But - I'm not, and never will be, non-diabetic. Neither you nor I can afford to let ourselves slip if we want to show the experts that diabetes need not be a progressive disease!

I'm determined to die still able to see that my feet are on the ends of my legs! :lol:

Keep up the good work :D

Viv 8)


Hi Viviennem (Viv) :D

Many Thanks for your feedback.Glad to hear your readings are down to 5.3 did you get to this level with or without youy tablets.

Yes i do also agree that the doctors should not just group without giving a chance to control with diet and no pills people as diabetic.My Original Doctor put me on tablets with not a lot of help or advice really. :(

As you will see with the effort i have made without tablets and giving time for adjustments to take place.

This has caused me all sorts of headaches as one doctor says one thing-nurse another and then pharmacists put their bit in also ( mainly to the actuals readings of glucose and hba1c results).

Lets see what happens in thenext 3month when i hope hba1c will come to below 6.0

Take care

Manny24 :D
 
I take 1 x 500g of Metformin 3 times daily. I actually asked to be put on Met before I allowed them to register me as diabetic (in denial :roll: ) because I knew they could help with weight loss. Since then I've learned (on here) that they also protect against heart disease and stroke, and help lower cholesterol. As I am completely anti-statin I'd much rather take metformin, and fortunately I've adapted to them very well.

We are all different! :lol:

Viv 8)
 
Hi Viv you put in your last post you are anti statin, is there a reason for that, i am only asking because i have been put on statins.
My colestral was 10 then 9. the doctor told me i would never get it down by myself no matter what i do.
I am not obese by the way, so i don't know why it's so high, i eat fairly healthy also.
I am sorry to jump into your thread Manny, but i spotted the statin thing and if i don't ask right away i will forget.
Michele.
 
Hi, Leapoffaith

I'll answer just briefly here, so as not to get it off thread - lots of people have no problems with statins, and they work very well. Some - possibly as much as 20% - can get muscle pains and 'brain fog', and unfortunately I'm one of those! You may well be okay on statins, and with cholesterol as high as yours. I would say (with no expertise behind me!) that you probably need meds to help you get yours lower. Some people naturally have higher cholesterol levels than "normal".

Watch your reactions, and if you get pains (eg in your arms and legs) don't be afraid to go back and tell your GP. Simvastatin seems to be one of the worst for side-effects - there are plentry of alternatives, but they are a bit more expensive. Try a read round with Google.

There's lots of discussions about statins on here, if you search 'statins' on the Board Index. Or PM me, if you like.

Sorry Manny! :D

Viv 8)
 
Leapoffaith said:
Hi Viv you put in your last post you are anti statin, is there a reason for that, i am only asking because i have been put on statins.
My colestral was 10 then 9. the doctor told me i would never get it down by myself no matter what i do.
I am not obese by the way, so i don't know why it's so high, i eat fairly healthy also.
I am sorry to jump into your thread Manny, but i spotted the statin thing and if i don't ask right away i will forget.
Michele.


Hi Leapoffaith, :D

thats no problem,

hope u manage to bring your colesterol down.mine was only 6.2 then in three months 5.1 so it can be done slowly i think?? :? see what happens with mine in three months again.
i stopped eating a lot of fried food ( being asian) fish and chips :( , now gone for the fridge fish from the big chains and into the oven also cut out takeaways to once a week

I have also been put on Metformin, Simvastatin and Ramipril (still not taking them)viv might say in denial :wink:

My Original Doctors whacked me on these pills yet having spoke to another 3 months on and telling him that i have not stared the tablets he said to carry on WITHOUT them after looking at my inprovement.(The 2nd Doctor is a Diabetic)so now all my appointments are with him.

Good luck

Manny24 :D
 
Thank you Viv,

that was really helpful, I expect i really need to give it my best shot. i really can't get my diet any better than it is, i am sure some mite find ways to tweek it but it is pretty good, and the best i can do, so seems like no place else to go but the pills.

Sorry for that Manny, and yes i totally get the denial thing, i had it to start with, i was convinced they had made a mistake, even though my mum my grandfather amd all 11 of my mums siblings had or have diabetes, all but one sibbling died in their 40's because they didn't have a good understanding of what exactly they had or how to take care of them selves, but that was a long time ago, my mum and one of her sisters are still going strong, but they are both on insulin. Even given that awful family history, i still went into denial, denial is a wonderful thing it allows us to keep living the way we want without having to take responsibility for the truth.
I have totally turned things around now, unfortunatly it took kidney failure to wake me up and face reality.
You sound like you are coping ok and finding your way, which is really good, i am sure this site will help us both, i have learned so much already, and i only joined last week.

Take care, Michele. x
 
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