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Portion Control.

For my breakfast today I had a lot of sweet cereal as my blood was low. Lunch was 4 ryvita with cheese and tomato and some cashews.

I don't like hot dogs, I haven't got a slow cooker and I'm not keen on spicy food. I like curry and chilli though.
 
Good luck with what you eat Sarah a lot of what you have said you eat is very good, I personally would not eat the cereal or to much of the root vegetables the bananas and grapes but I eat pretty much eveything else I don't portion control I just don't eat the foods that raises my BS to much.
 
Wow guys.. I've been reading this thread & a few others.. & picking up on the comments from the LCHFers...
& just realised I have been pretty much doing this stuff for years...! Even as a kid. Salads.. Love it.
My mum said she always felt guilty when I was questioned by the dieticians as a kid.

Potato has always sent me all over the place, "hoping my next leap would be the leap home..." (Sci fi Quantum leap joke.)

Apart from "baby bell" & "cheese strings"? Lol, nil by mouth on that score.. I do love my proper cheese.!

Yer right "don't diss the cauliflower.."

Cheers.
 
For my breakfast today I had a lot of sweet cereal as my blood was low. Lunch was 4 ryvita with cheese and tomato and some cashews.

I don't like hot dogs, I haven't got a slow cooker and I'm not keen on spicy food. I like curry and chilli though.
What was your blood reading, that you describe as low?
 
For my breakfast today I had a lot of sweet cereal as my blood was low. Lunch was 4 ryvita with cheese and tomato and some cashews.

I don't like hot dogs, I haven't got a slow cooker and I'm not keen on spicy food. I like curry and chilli though.
I think a "Thank you for your efforts" is in place even if you disregard all the good advice you have got from the members here.

Just curious, how come you get low bg when on metformin? How low is low?
 
It was not officially a hypo at 4.2 but is low for me, my morning BG's aren't too bad (under 10) it just gradually increases during the day. I had quite good control when I was on Byetta but had to change to Lyxumia as I started work. I'm grateful to all advice given.
 
For a level of 4.2 you would be advised to eat 12-15g of quick acting carb's... No more...

If yoy wake daily at a lower level and eating sugary cereals due to this then you maybe affecting levels later.. Just a word of warning.. If your levels are not going up excessive after this amount then your levels may be too low in mornings ongoing...

Just a note of precaution.. Not criticism..


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When on metformin? Really? I thought the whole point with metformin was to normalise bg and 4.2 is normal indeed.
 
4.2 is a perfect morning bg.

No reason to stuff yourself with sugar, just rejoice in the normality and have some eggs and cheese!
 
When on metformin? Really? I thought the whole point with metformin was to normalise bg and 4.2 is normal indeed.


Exactly.. Pretty much my thoughts.. Unless you are on hypoland insulin why would you need to cram sweet cereals in at 4.2?


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Exactly.. Pretty much my thoughts.. Unless you are on hypoland insulin why would you need to cram sweet cereals in at 4.2?


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Indeed. 4.2 is the region I live in nowadays, on LCHF. Very stable and reliable bg, no highs and as a T2 no lows either. Bg varies from 3.8 to 4.5, fasting, and rarely over 5 postprandial.
 
Hi Sarah,
This is a longish and complicated thread , so to be clear, am I correct in saying you are having multiple issues ?
1) Hunger (hence the header Portion control)
2) Blood glucose control
3) Weight control
4) Work patterns
5) Dislikes of certain foods

If so, then all are connected, and part of the same problem, there is a solution to it all, multiple answers to the multiple components of the problem. So many people have already given very good advice, and I appreciate it may be difficult to take it all in and apply it to your life.

What is apparent though is the way you are doing things now according to your comfort zone isn't working r you, or you wouldn't have posted in the first place

To get yourself in a better place, it's going to require a multi direction approach from you ,but each approach should have a positive impact on the other areas, so it gets easier as you progress

It strikes me that although you have been Type 2 for some time, your knowledge appears a little sketchy. Have you ever attended any kind of course related to diabetes management ?

How often do you have contact with your diabetes team if you have one ?

Are you on a tight budget?

Do you enjoy cooking ?

Signy
 
I have had diabetes since 1997. I see my DSN and consultant every 6 months. My original post was just enquiring how people eat small portions and not be hungry, not because I was hungry, but since I posted I've been for a check up and my hba1c had raised to 9.5. Ive been referred to see a dietician next week, so people are now trying to help me start to low carb. I know that 4.2 isn't a hypo but I was shaking, very hungry and needed to eat some thing sweet. Yes I'm on a tight budget. I have been to a 2 hour course in 2010 at my hospital about carb counting, it certainly opened my eyes as I only thought potatoes had carbs in them!
 
My waking levels tend to be between 3.7 and 4.2, and I am sometimes ready to eat shortly after getting up, but come on, give yourself a break! If every time you think you fancy something sweet you have it, we might as well all save ourselves a lot of time here and go play backgammon online or something. Frankly, the "need" to eat something sweet is in your head. I buy the need to eat, but the need to eat something sweet is a learned reaction, based on habit.

Trust me on this one. Front loading your day with sugar laden cereal will make things much harder for yourself. Carbs are addictive. The more you have, the more you want. So, you carb up at breakfast, then by lunch you want more, and by evening, why stop then, another all, tomorrow's a whole new day?

I have been eating reduced carbing for about six months now, and am fortunate that myhard work has paid off, and I have tight control, in non-diabetic ranges. But, here's the rub. I now find that I can eat a few more carbs these days, and still stay in excellent blood ranges. But. If I have, say, rice on back to back days, I'm fine. If I add it a third day, I find myself getting hungrier as each day passes, and I feel I want to satisfy that hunger by eating,....... Carbs.

You have to break the cycle. As I suggested yesterday, you need to make a concerted effort you will not deflect from for a number of days. It only takes a few days to begin to feel the benefits, then it undoubtedly becomes easier. I'm not a lone voice in saying any of this.

We are trying to give you some tools to use. It's up to you. At the moment, I think you want to change, but I think you want an easy option. Unfortunately, tens, if not hundreds of people on this forum know there is no easy option.
 

What Andbreath says is so true. There is nothing you or anyone can do for you until you accept the fact that diabetics - type 1 2 and in between - can't have a normal relations with carbs.

If you want to have near normal sugar, feel better, reduce complications, less hypos you have to basically stop eating them as a primary nutrition for your body.

I can most likely speak for most people on the forum in that none of us want to accept it, but to not just survive but thrive we must.

Accepting that fact and not clinging to the hope of remission or listening to the medical establishment, you will free yourself and begin to do what is necessary to feel good again.

If you want to read some scary research about the damage elevated sugars do follow this link from Jenny Ruhl's review of research http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045678.php

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Hi, how do you control portion sizes. I would like to cut down but I would be sooo hungry! I have a large bowl of cornflakes but if I ate less I'd have to get something else to eat a bit later!
If you go to the Diet Doctor web site and look on the LCHF he tells you what food it is best to stop eating like the starchy carbs but for the rest to eat until you are satisfied
 
I know a reading of 4.2 is normal but as my levels have been higher this level was making me shaky, couldn't think straight (my usual hypo symptoms) so I was expected to do nothing? I'm not stupid and know diabetes is a life long condition!! I have never said I feel ill and a couple of posts have said I will feel better!
 
Hi Sarah,
Have you checked out the www.dietdoctor.com, as several members have suggested? It is hard to get rid of the sugar in the beginning so I did 2 things: get rid of all carbs out the house (gave them all to friends) and food shop when you've just eaten. Avoid the cereal and cake isles. Now I walk down them and don't bat an eyelid! Plan your meals in advance. Make sure that you have brekkie stuff in and all your stuff for lunch. Take it into work where possible and leave it in the fridge. Keep nuts in your desk drawer so if you feel you need a snack they're there. I only crave sweet things when I'm hungry so as soon as you have that feeling, go and eat a piece of cheese, slowly. The feeling will pass! Good luck!
 
With a HbA1c of 9.5 you are ill and the false hypo at 4.2 confirms it.
 
Hi Sarah, I see where you are coming from now with the Portion control header, thanks I can't say that I ever feel hungry, but I guess my portions are not that small in total, as the only thing I restrict is carbs.

Yes, learning about what carbs are can be an eye opener, I and there are " hidden" carbs and carbs that are not obvious, too many to cover in a 2 hour course but in the links people have posted there is much more information. Mostly, I've found, it's down to self education and experimentation as to what works for you as we are all different. I read labels , on everything and for example discovered Asda Smart Price muesli was the lowest in carbs out of all the brands and supermarkets, not surprising really as it was sugar free, low on dried fruit (hidden carb) and cost a lot less I it though, as for me the carbs are still too high but it may be fine for someone else.

Be aware that your dietician may give some outdated advice the party line for diabetics is still mostly in favour of "plenty of carbs", but this is slowly changing. There are fashions in health advice as there is in everything else. There is a family history of Type 1 , and a fair few type 2's in my own tribe, and we have all seen dietary advice come and go. From a child my Grandmother was told to "avoid all starches" so nothing with sugar or flour, no potatoes or rice, dried fruits etc. She did so all her life and died aged 89,a farmer's wife who for the main was fit as a lop

I also remember the non diabetics dieting to lose weight back in the day by cutting out starches, and it worked We have now come full circle, with low carb (starch) being seen as the way to go for glucose control and weight control, there is nothing new under the sun Other advice given to diabetics has been tried, and sadly for many it just hasn't worked. However your dietician or DSN May help you with identifying what foods would be a good substitution for you, and the timing of meds and Lantus. Take on board what hey say, and research and experiment with what works for YOU, given that there isn't a one size fits all solution

It can seem overwhelming, but Baby Steps make it all more manageable, and sustainable in the long term

That hypo - it's true that if your BG has been running high for a while, you may feel the symptoms of a hypo at a higher level of BY, even within the parameters of a "normal" BG. When this happens, it's best to treat the symptoms with a small amount of rapid acting carbohydrate such as 1 or 2 dextrose or glucose tablets, which raise the BG enough to alleviate the hypo symptoms without setting a trend for high readings for the rest of the day.

Do you get test strips on prescription? If you do, test often to see how different foods affect you and when. It makes it easier to identify what foods spike your BG and what needs to be cut out or substituted. I appreciate this can be difficult whilst at work, but it takes just a few minutes to hide in the loo if necessary, and test but it's well worth the effort .

Signy
 
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