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Yeah, think I did Paul. I also agree with what you say.
Yeah, think I did Paul. I also agree with what you say.Hi Mo-I think you've read my post the wrong way round-I know of a few type 2's who were slim all their lives and all of a sudden gained weight without a change in dietary habits or exercise levels prior to being diagnosed which suggests that a metabolic disorder caused the increased weight and not the weight causing the metabolic disorder,i,e Type diabetes
Portion control is an effective tool in weight loss and will help to maintain your weight when you get to your ideal goal..
Dillinger, I sort of get your point but some people are just greedy. As for not being happy, I agree. Maybe that is just a by product. Most people don't wish to become alcoholic or drug addicted but it happens.
Again, whilst I agree for the most part, many drug addicts and alcoholics would argue that theirs is an illness too. It is quite often treated as such. Is it a by product of depression or a different chemical imbalance. Generally, those who have any kind of "addiction" tend to do other things to excess. Who knows. I still think there are many obese people who are not suffering with diabetes so perhaps your suggestion could be the answer. Don't you think though that some people are just greedy ? Not just food, never have enough money or shoes or whatever ? Not sure.I was thinking about this Mo; and the immediate thing is that alcohol and drug issues are addictions; they are closer to illnesses than to moral failings whereas obesity is seen as pretty much purely a failure of will (being lazy, greedy and so on). I think the hormonal cycle you get into eating starchy carbs (insulin up, leptin down) and the descriptions of 'carb addiction' one can read about means that obesity should be seen as the symptom of an illness (metabolic dysfunction) rather than just the cause of the illness.
Kind regards
Dillinger
Do you mean that saturated fats are fattening? Or that junk food is fattening? Agree with the latter, as junk food usually is very high in carbs with fat thrown in.
That's a very good article catherinecherub. Thank you.
That sounds nice; but it is obviously not true - one can look to one's own experience of eating and hunger and conclude that plate size is pretty irrelevant. There might be subtle influences on the satiated but if you are hungry then whether your plate is the size of the table or of a coffee cup won't really matter. What matters is your leptin response telling your brain that you have eaten enough.
Hunger is, I would suggest, a key hormonal response that can barely be overridden by conscious will; if it weren't your line would have died out long ago in competition with those who really acted on being hungry...
Dillinger
p.s. what is a sad statical world?
My first hubby when I met him was a size 26" waist. He could not eat a full size plate of food at all. He hD the equivalent of a small portion of children size meals. He could not eat a full plate of food. He also ate just meat, fruit and veg.
His stomach had shrunk to not being anle to eat more. At least thats what the doctors said. He was so fit and healthy, and still is.
So going on from this, do people that get obese from over eating give themselves a bigger stomach that expects bigger portions?
I gained the habit of eating from a side plate from him, and its stood me in good stead. However, at home I always lick my plate clean... Disgusting I know. I do it at my mums too, and she says "i never taught you to do that"- I tell her to take it as a compliment. I was brought up though that I had to eat everything on my plate from the age of 6. Before 6 I would only eat sausages and complan!!
Do peoples stomachs stretch to expect more?
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Do you think that, in the context of this discussion, "just greedy" is a perjorative way of saying "too hungry"? The experience of these people is one of hunger, but 'greedy" suggests a character or personality defect. It's a value judgement, you don't approve of "greediness". Wouldn't it be better to consign unhelpful words like greed and laziness to the dustbin, and just look look at experience without the judgement?
Sure, we can ignore all the words we don't like. Let's put them all in the dustbin ! Does that mean they don't exist ? I am not saying all large people are greedy, I've quoted numerous occasions here i you read my other posts that I find the Leptin thing plausible. I also don't equate greedy with "too hungry". I'm saying for whatever reason, some people always want more. They will eat beyond the "full" feeling. Greed can come in many forms. Never enough money, food, drink etc. You can ignore the word "greed" if it bothers you, what would you like it to be called ?Do you think that, in the context of this discussion, "just greedy" is a perjorative way of saying "too hungry"? The experience of these people is one of hunger, but 'greedy" suggests a character or personality defect. It's a value judgement, you don't approve of "greediness". Wouldn't it be better to consign unhelpful words like greed and laziness to the dustbin, and just look look at experience without the judgement?
Do you think that, in the context of this discussion, "just greedy" is a perjorative way of saying "too hungry"? The experience of these people is one of hunger, but 'greedy" suggests a character or personality defect. It's a value judgement, you don't approve of "greediness". Wouldn't it be better to consign unhelpful words like greed and laziness to the dustbin, and just look look at experience without the judgement?
I know about thyroid problems! I was very ill for a long time with symptoms of hypothyroidism but my TSH was in range so my Dr said she could rule out under function. I took things in my own hands and started on NDT. Amazing. I got my memory back, I got my energy back, my hair, all sorts of things that hadnt worked for more than a decade suddenly was all right again.
Many patients say they feel better on NDT than on Levo and that it is much easier to loose the thyroid weight gain on NDT as well.
No. I havn't had my vitamin D tested. Thanks for the tip. I will ask my GP on Monday. Don't worry about sounding like a broken record......that's better than a broken body any day of the week!Can you please expand? What is NDT?
@zand - have you had your Vitamin D tested? I can get like a broken record on the subject, but my experience of being diagnosed with a quadruple whammy (Type 2, hypothyroidism, hypertension and Vitamin D deficiency) was that the change on starting Vitamin D was almost miraculous - weight started coming off (I'd been dieting for months prior), TSH normalised - hypertension took longer, but now seems to be under control with no medication.
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NDT=Natural Dessicated Thyroid. Or pig´s extract. This is what was used to treat hypothyroidism until they learnt how to make synthetic T4 like Levo. Many patients prefer NDT over Levo but it can be hard, not to say impossible to get it prescribed and only on namned-patient basis.Can you please expand? What is NDT?
@zand - have you had your Vitamin D tested? I can get like a broken record on the subject, but my experience of being diagnosed with a quadruple whammy (Type 2, hypothyroidism, hypertension and Vitamin D deficiency) was that the change on starting Vitamin D was almost miraculous - weight started coming off (I'd been dieting for months prior), TSH normalised - hypertension took longer, but now seems to be under control with no medication.
Most people are now eating 50% or more of their diets as processed carbs, particularly wheat - add bad fats to the equation and we have a nightmare result, but I doubt that greed has much to do with it. Almost all of western society is over-fed and under-nourished. The junkier your diet, the more you will eat trying to gain the nutrients your body needs.
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