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Pour the unhappiness out / From your too bitter heart / Which grieving will not sweeten

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.




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why is your profile blocked touchett ? i hope you find some answers in here that will help you touchett
 
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Hi touchett

I don't have a lovely poem like Cara's. Just a saying we have in these parts: "You die if you worry. You die if you don't." Please be aware that stress can raise blood sugar levels. Best wishes for a long, healthy life :)
 
Touchett ..

I think you are really thinking too deeply on this one. Remember some people can reverse diabetes, even some damage can be reversed. The key is to keep on top of all the variables, eye tests, heart checks, oral hygiene, etc etc etc.
Education and knowledge is the key.
A little knowledge can be dangerous (or frightening) .

The Diabetes.co,uk website is full of good info. Subscribe to their emails and they will help you stay on an even keel, and this forum can help you keep your sanity. It can be very confusing and we can become panicstruck!

It really helps to monitor your Blood Glucose levels as then you can understand what you are dealing with.

 
Also, as per your first Q in last post, My mom is 83. DIabetic for 27 years, started insulin about 8 years ago
Only this past 12 months has her eyesight started to fail her.She has a family history of glaucoma. There are opticians out there who can do a special test for diabetics which mom always kept up with and had the laser treatments when she was offered them.
Her Blood Pressure has always been good, she's had no heart troubles. Her feet are okay except for her manky nails. But she neglected those!
She never tested her BG so if she had I think she would have been even better. I think she's amazing! And her hair is naturally dark, no grey at all!!
 
I thank you all for your replies. An open question: Do any of you know of diabetics living to older age (80s), limbs and eyesight intact, with relatively few complications, excepting the usual complications attendant on old age? Has anyone here lived with type 2 diabetes for more than 40-50 years, without insulin? I often hear the word "progressive", is it true that even with good control, that insulin use is an inevitability? I must say I find that discouraging.

FatGenes999: You mention neuropathy. I've read that poor circulation alone could lead to amputation. I can't seem to find any definitive information about what leads to amputation--whether neuropathy precipitates it, as one loses all feeling in the extremities, or if poor circulation itself can cause it. I already inherited hyperuricemia (gout) from my father, despite abstaining from red meat and alcohol, so I already have aches on my right foot from uric acid. I walk my dog everyday, and even that has become a source of dread. The thing is, I feel like I've gotten two diseases associated with excess, despite not being a hedonist.

Mud Island Dweller: I'm afraid I won't be able to contribute much to your recipe collection. I used to have a food blog of sorts, and my sources included Ina Garten and Julia Child--not exactly known for their moderation in using fats. I'll miss things like this homemade tomato soup with French bread croutons, since canned San Marzano tomatoes, tomatoes in general, and artisanal bread, are a no for diabetics: http://individual.utoronto.ca/montag/food/tomatosoup.html
DiamondAsh: I sincerely hope you never get this diagnosis. For me, it's been a crystallization of many years of fear and anxiety. And you're right, I am a worrywart, so this is possibly the worst disease for an obsessive personality-type. I am a girl, incidentally, though I realise my avatar of Matt Smith makes that ambiguous.

Cara: I think the I've taken a fight or flight approach to my diagnosis. I am definitely trying to stop it from progressing by severely restricting what I'm eating. I've even signed up for a clinical trial at a hospital, that will attempt to 'rest' and allow the beta cells to repair themselves, through intensive insulin therapy. I do wish I could be as practical as you, and 'pick myself up by the bootstraps', as it were.

pavlosn: Thank you for your kind and thoughtful reply. As I mentioned, I am a worrier, with a tendency towards grim ideation. The complications of diabetes are what dominate my thoughts. I can't seem to find a definitive answer about neuropathy, whether poor circulation ALONE, or poor circulation coupled with injury/infection leads to complications.

May I ask where you got your statistics, regarding a reduction in the HbA1c reducing our risk of complications by 10%? Do you mean a drop from say 7.0 to 6.8, or a drop 7.0 to 5.0? The same question applies to our post-prandial blood-glucose numbers. If one's normal glucose level is 5.0, should the post-meal mmol not exceed 7.0?

Right now, it does feel like I am between Scylla and Charybdis. I really do not know how diabetics walk this tightrope between survival, discipline, the constant checking of numbers, not worrying about the uncertainty of the future, or giving yourselves over to fatalism, whilst having lives and careers. All of you are made of such mettle that I fear I do not possess. It's not been two weeks since my diagnosis, and I feel like I am ready to go gentle into that good night.

Whatever happens, I do wish everyone here a good, and long life.

One of your question was: Do any of you know of diabetics living to older age (80s), limbs and eyesight intact, with relatively few complications, excepting the usual complications attendant on old age?

:)My answer is yes, my maternal grandfather. He lived until his early 80s and had had diabetes for at least a decade prior. He died fully intact with no diabetes-specific complications.

Regarding your reference to (my) neuropathy,, what you say about its origins and danger is correct. Poor circulation is the culprit. I would imagine that staying at one's proper weight and staying active would help with circulatory problems. There are also plenty of herbs and spices which help circulation.
You will also find plenty of low or no/carbers in these forums. The really bad carbs, such as from white flour, are primary instigators in causing inflammation for many people. Inflammation is one of the precursors of poor circulation.

The discipline and ability to pay attention to details, etc, that you laud all of us as having, doesn't necessarily come easy, or,natural for all of us. Personally, I've always been fascinated with natural "cures and "alternative" health methods, as well as how the body works, so for me this DB challenge is somewhat interesting.

Along these lines, I am also totally committed to encouraging others to replace dependency on medical doctors with self-care and self-reliance in health matters. I hope that someday everyone considers their health to be their own, personal responsibility, not the health practitioners'' and the medical establishment's. ;) If I have an "agenda" that is it.

Cheers to you, and since you are one of the few members who is in the same "time-zone" as I am, we can talk-on-line while some of our UK friends are sleeping, if you need to.:p
 
Dear Touchett

In answer to one of your questions, my wife's maternal grandmother and great uncle both had diabetes and both lived into their nineties without any of the usual diabetic complications.

They had to start on insulin when they were in their eighties, being on oral medication prior to that, and they were both a bit senile in the end ( more forgetful than gaga). I do not know if that was because of the diabetes.

I do not know how well controlled they were as diabetics. I remember the grandmother well however, she was a short overweight lady ( think of a malteeser on legs :-)) with a bit of a desperately sweet tooth. We always had to tell her off for helping herself to too much desert.

Does this tell us much about what our own fate will be as diabetics? I do not think so. They were different people who leaved at a different time. On one hand we probably enjoy better healthcare, on the other hand they probably enjoyed more stress free lifestyles.

At the end of the day some things are not for us mere men to know.

As you appear quite literary let me share one of my favorite poems by Greek poet Constantinos Kavafis with you:

"As you set out for Ithaka
hope the voyage is a long one,
full of adventure, full of discovery.
Laistrygonians and Cyclops,
angry Poseidon—don’t be afraid of them:
you’ll never find things like that on your way
as long as you keep your thoughts raised high,
as long as a rare excitement
stirs your spirit and your body.
Laistrygonians and Cyclops,
wild Poseidon—you won’t encounter them
unless you bring them along inside your soul,
unless your soul sets them up in front of you.

Hope the voyage is a long one.
May there be many a summer morning when,
with what pleasure, what joy,
you come into harbors seen for the first time;
may you stop at Phoenician trading stations
to buy fine things,
mother of pearl and coral, amber and ebony,
sensual perfume of every kind—
as many sensual perfumes as you can;
and may you visit many Egyptian cities
to gather stores of knowledge from their scholars.

Keep Ithaka always in your mind.
Arriving there is what you are destined for.
But do not hurry the journey at all.
Better if it lasts for years,
so you are old by the time you reach the island,
wealthy with all you have gained on the way,
not expecting Ithaka to make you rich.

Ithaka gave you the marvelous journey.
Without her you would not have set out.
She has nothing left to give you now.

And if you find her poor, Ithaka won’t have fooled you.
Wise as you will have become, so full of experience,
you will have understood by then what these Ithakas mean."

Our mortal nature dictates that we all have the same ultimate destination but what is important is not the destination as such but the journey.

Do not let worrying about the inevitability of ultimately losing the war stop you from taking glory from whatever small victories come your way along the way.

Regards

Pavlos






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I was diagnosed with type II diabetes on January 27, 2014--something I had been trying to stave off these last few years with regular walks, and expunging things like white rice, bread, and pasta from my diet. Still, heredity did out. My GP has all the bedside manner of an espresso maker, i.e. none at all, and didn't really give me much in the way of guidance, except to write a prescription for Metformin, and to tell me that diabetics are at risk for amputations, blindness, and infertility.
I was tested again on February 6 by another doctor, with an HbA1c of 7.7, and a resting blood glucose of 7.0mmol--not ideal numbers.
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I read about diabetic socks, and never going barefoot.
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I only just turned 31, and in a very visceral sense, it feels like I've already died. It's not been two weeks since my diagnosis, and I'm already tired of life.
I don't quite know what to despair about most: the fact that the pleasures of food are forever barred from me, that I must exercise slavishly, and eat the blandest of diets just to stay alive, or that every physician and nurse has told me it's a "progressive" disease, and that no matter what I do, I will deteriorate and need insulin.

A few things :)

When you are first diagnosed you can get all sorts of advice which is not immediately relevant.
For instance the bare foot and diabetic socks thing really scared me when I was first diagnosed.
After a while I worked out that if my feet were still sensitive then I was not at major risk of any more damage than a non-diabetic.
If you can feel when you tread on something, and you heal O.K. from minor scrapes and stuff then you are not likely to get an unnoticed wound on your foot which I understand is the major concern.
So I always do my Yoga class barefoot and don't worry about it.

On the food front, I have no idea where you got the idea that low carb food has to be bland and boring - although bits of chicken breast and lettuce as a staple diet might be - because herbs and spices are not usually stuffed with carbohydrates. If you love food and cooking then spicy vegetarian food can be very enjoyable and good for you. Portion control is everything.

If you are agonising over not eating chicken skin then ask yourself how many carbohydrates there are in it :joyful:

Talking of ordering pizza then just eating the topping seems crazy to me - what is the point of ordering it when the toppings can be found in a salad?

The main thing is you haven't told us how tall you are and how much you weigh.
You also haven't really specified your activity levels in terms of distances covered and types of exercise.
You say you are only 31 (which is young for a T2) and you have a genetic tendency towards diabetes.

I think if we knew a little more about your situation we could target advice more effectively.

I sympathise with your despair as you list the things you can no longer eat, but you have to re-educate your palate and find new things to enjoy.

You will be shocked and panic stricken for a while after diagnosis and focus on the down side.

After that you will begin hopefully to see that all is not lost and you can still enjoy life.

Your bloods show you are diabetic, but they are not a disaster.
In fact they are not far off the NICE guidelines for a well controlled T2 diabetic unless I am missing something.


If you look around this forum you will find people who had far worse readings when first diagnosed and have managed to get them under good control.

You are unlikely to go blind and have your feet drop off any time soon unless there are other major factors you are not currently sharing with us.

You ask about T2s and long term survival.

You might also ask about T1s, because IMHO they have a far harder struggle and a much more regimented life style, but as a last resort a T2 can go onto insulin and live life like a T1. So if T1s are trucking on well into their 80s then you could, too.
[You may note my lack of enthusiasm for going onto insulin - I never want to but I am aware that it does vastly increase my options if other treatments eventually fail me.]

So - take a deep breath -- hold it --- hold it ----- AAAAAHHHHHHH breath out!
Chill a bit and relax.
Life is still good, just slightly different.

Cheers

LGC
 
Touchett

I understand how you feel! When I was diagnosed a week before xmas (such a nice present) I was devastated and left floundering as to what it all meant. I was given a useless leaflet and told to book myself on a course. Unfortunately, I didn't find this site for a month so was unable to benefit from the experience of the people here and they are experienced and many have been through the same emotions that you find yourself having now.

I initially filled the gap of knowledge of the condition by reading up on the metabolism in my daughters university texts and following the scientific papers and it suppressed the desperation I felt; other people find other coping mechanisms. By the way I still do this but that is just my nature

I also at the time was extremely worried about my eyesight (I had just failed the field vision test at the opticians as I saw nothing in his machine) and thought omg I have destroyed my eyes and will never be able to drive again. But there is nothing I can do about the past it is the future that counts so I focussed and directed my efforts into turning the diagnoses into a force for good and that is precisely what you will do I am sure. Blood Glucose Control is the key so get a meter and be obsessed for a month or two so you understand the effect everything has on you metabolism.

You life isn't over, you are now a member of an exclusive club that the rest of mankind try their hardest to join but just fail miserably. We are the lucky ones. Make sure you use this as a positive in your life - remember you are in control it isn't in control of you
 
Touchett

I understand how you feel! When I was diagnosed a week before xmas (such a nice present) I was devastated and left floundering as to what it all meant. I was given a useless leaflet and told to book myself on a course. Unfortunately, I didn't find this site for a month so was unable to benefit from the experience of the people here and they are experienced and many have been through the same emotions that you find yourself having now.

I initially filled the gap of knowledge of the condition by reading up on the metabolism in my daughters university texts and following the scientific papers and it suppressed the desperation I felt; other people find other coping mechanisms. By the way I still do this but that is just my nature

I also at the time was extremely worried about my eyesight (I had just failed the field vision test at the opticians as I saw nothing in his machine) and thought omg I have destroyed my eyes and will never be able to drive again. But there is nothing I can do about the past it is the future that counts so I focussed and directed my efforts into turning the diagnoses into a force for good and that is precisely what you will do I am sure. Blood Glucose Control is the key so get a meter and be obsessed for a month or two so you understand the effect everything has on you metabolism.

You life isn't over, you are now a member of an exclusive club that the rest of mankind try their hardest to join but just fail miserably. We are the lucky ones. Make sure you use this as a positive in your life - remember you are in control it isn't in control of you

:DI am still somewhat "obsessed" with taking my BG readings, although I'm in my third month after diagnosis, and I know that many other members here are doing the same.

Here's the latest news on my foot neuropathy, which I have. The neurologist gave me a series of EMG diagnostic tests and said that, fortunately, the larger muscles have not been affected by the diabetes. But, when my BG is even a little high I notice I get the foot neuropathy symptoms. The key is good glucose control and not putting unnecessary strain on the feet. Cold will sometimes be an instigator.

An inexpensive remedy for the discomfort of foot neuropathy, which seems to work for me, is cayenne powder mixed with olive oil, and rubbed on the feet and then covered with socks. This has provided relief for me.
 
:DI am still somewhat "obsessed" with taking my BG readings, although I'm in my third month after diagnosis, and I know that many other members here are doing the same.

Here's the latest news on my foot neuropathy, which I have. The neurologist gave me a series of EMG diagnostic tests and said that, fortunately, the larger muscles have not been affected by the diabetes. But, when my BG is even a little high I notice I get the foot neuropathy symptoms. The key is good glucose control and not putting unnecessary strain on the feet. Cold will sometimes be an instigator.

An inexpensive remedy for the discomfort of foot neuropathy, which seems to work for me, is cayenne powder mixed with olive oil, and rubbed on the feet and then covered with socks. This has provided relief for me.

I am so pleased to hear about your health news! And your blood glucose readings are terrific, in non-diabetic range. You mentioned that you live on the East coast, so you've had to endure an especially harsh winter. I'm not sure if it's peripheral nerves, or just hypochondria at this point, but I have found this winter bitingly cold, and find that my toes and hands hurt if I'm outdoors for any length of time. Of course, I didn't sense any of this prior to diagnosis, so I will assume there is some valetudinarian paranoia at play here.
 
Hi Touchette,

I read your thread just yesterday, so I'm a late joiner. I read the supportive, encouraging, and informative replies to your original post. This forum gets input from some truly fine people.

My contribution picks up from your concern about a life-long sentence of bland dining, a particularly cruel punishment for one who enjoys cooking. Take a look at Lee Shurie's personal history and systematic documentation of his approach to combating Type II:

http://www.shurie.com/lee/writing_defeat_diabetes.htm

He too was a young man when his high readings were first seen, but he says it was years later when he tried to manage it. Determined to do so without medication he tried a change in diet, added exercise, and then added a form of fasting that began as not eating until his BG was low.

I'm not a young man like you and Shurie, -- 1951 is not a random number -- but my fBG was similar to yours. Like Shurie, I decided to try imposing long periods between meals and cutting carbs to a minimum, under the belief that: if successful, I will be able to enjoy occasional meals with bread stuffing and roasted potatoes and all those other yummy things that got me here in the first place. It will be a while before I get an answer. You and I learned about our conditions at about the same time, and it looks like we've scored the same numbers. Like Shurie, I'm documenting my progress on a web site:

http://web.ncf.ca/fx536

Take a look. Maybe it's information that's useful to you, maybe not.

Best to you,
George1951
 
Hi Touchette,

I read your thread just yesterday, so I'm a late joiner. I read the supportive, encouraging, and informative replies to your original post. This forum gets input from some truly fine people.

My contribution picks up from your concern about a life-long sentence of bland dining, a particularly cruel punishment for one who enjoys cooking. Take a look at Lee Shurie's personal history and systematic documentation of his approach to combating Type II:

http://www.shurie.com/lee/writing_defeat_diabetes.htm

He too was a young man when his high readings were first seen, but he says it was years later when he tried to manage it. Determined to do so without medication he tried a change in diet, added exercise, and then added a form of fasting that began as not eating until his BG was low.

I'm not a young man like you and Shurie, -- 1951 is not a random number -- but my fBG was similar to yours. Like Shurie, I decided to try imposing long periods between meals and cutting carbs to a minimum, under the belief that: if successful, I will be able to enjoy occasional meals with bread stuffing and roasted potatoes and all those other yummy things that got me here in the first place. It will be a while before I get an answer. You and I learned about our conditions at about the same time, and it looks like we've scored the same numbers. Like Shurie, I'm documenting my progress on a web site:

http://web.ncf.ca/fx536

Take a look. Maybe it's information that's useful to you, maybe not.

Best to you,
George1951

George, my heartfelt thanks and gratitude to you for your kind words, and for sharing your journal and Lee Shurie's story. I am sorry to hear that you were diagnosed. I am admittedly still reeling, but I hope you are faring and coping so much better than I am, and I do wish you the very best of health as you navigate your way through this condition. You share a birth year with my parents, so 1951 has a happy association for me.

My most recent fasting blood glucose taken on February 20, 2014 was 3.7mmol, with an A1c is down from 7.7% in January to 6.4%, though I achieved this at the Pyrrhic cost of eating very little. I hope you find that balance of managing your blood glucose and eating foods that you enjoy.

I am in fact a girl, though I realise my avatar makes that incredibly ambiguous.

The best of health to you George, and I hope you are able to incorporate the occasional stuffing and roasted potatoes in your meals!
 
I am so pleased to hear about your health news! And your blood glucose readings are terrific, in non-diabetic range. You mentioned that you live on the East coast, so you've had to endure an especially harsh winter. I'm not sure if it's peripheral nerves, or just hypochondria at this point, but I have found this winter bitingly cold, and find that my toes and hands hurt if I'm outdoors for any length of time. Of course, I didn't sense any of this prior to diagnosis, so I will assume there is some valetudinarian paranoia at play here.

Thanks for the good wishes, Touchett. I actually currently live in the Upper Midwestern part of the States, which is much worse, weather-wise. So, this has been an especially rough winter for me. I look forward to moving back to the East Coast, though, because at least there the salty sea-air can replenish my lungs and spirit. :playful:
 
Hi touchett

I don't have a lovely poem like Cara's. Just a saying we have in these parts: "You die if you worry. You die if you don't." Please be aware that stress can raise blood sugar levels. Best wishes for a long, healthy life :)

So true about worry and stress. Cortisol in the blood-stream, caused by stress, is a precursor to many problems .
I try to do something on a daily basis to keep the stress down, and also allow the natural "feel-good" chemistry to occur. Music, spirituality, beauty, laughter, etc. helps the body to heal itself and strengthen the immune system.
 
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