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Pre-diabetes

I've had fasting readings in the normal range, and HbA1c is the normal range for my past two of three reviews now, and reduced my meds to 500mg Metformin. (I have actually decreased them to zero, and not noticed a great difference, skewed though by coming off the Newcastle diet at the time)
But I wouldn't want to be off the diabetic register. Considering the benefits, all the free meds (for everything), the health checks, the access to my medical team, it seems pointless to be worried over having a label. (I leave worrying over labels to my kids, with their clothes).
I'm not embarrassed to be T2, I normally tell most people, (usually when they ask me how I lost so much weight)
Diabetes doesn't seem to go away, I'd rather know as soon as it comes back, if it's going to, maybe I can tolerate carbs more than some others, but that may not last, so again, the prescriptions for strips give me a better heads up on my condition.
And even if I was removed, most questions ask if I have, or was ever diagnosed T2, so I can't see any benefit there either.
 
Ok here is a question;

If I take a non-diabetic off the street and give them 300g of carbs every day with cans of coke and snacks between meals in order to keep their blood sugars high for 3 months and then send them to the doctors for a hba1c have I created a diabetic?
(Assuming their hba1c is above the threshold)
Will they always be diabetic?


An experiment similar to this was done with people masquerading as mentally ill and being admitted to psychiatric units. Their brief was to convince the medical staff they were actually in good health and get themselves released.
They couldn't get released and the experiment had to be called off for ethical reasons.
 
It is known as The Rosenhan experiment and the 'patients' had to accept a diagnosis of schizophrenia in remission or risk being labelled as 'in denial.'

It's always fascinated me.
 
VinnyJames said:
Ok here is a question;

If I take a non-diabetic off the street and give them 300g of carbs every day with cans of coke and snacks between meals in order to keep their blood sugars high for 3 months and then send them to the doctors for a hba1c have I created a diabetic?
(Assuming their hba1c is above the threshold)
Will they always be diabetic?


An experiment similar to this was done with people masquerading as mentally ill and being admitted to psychiatric units. Their brief was to convince the medical staff they were actually in good health and get themselves released.
They couldn't get released and the experiment had to be called off for ethical reasons.
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Nope.

Because you can't keep a non-diabetic's blood sugar high. Their insulin response simply deals with the excess sugar. You might get them to put on a bit of weight though.
And if that weight takes them over their personal fat threshold, they may start getting impaired glucose tolerance, i.e. pre-diabetes.
But only if their personal fat threshold is low.

Why do you keep asking these questions?

Either accept your diagnosis, or not. But you won't achieve anything by these hypothetical questions.
 
Nope.

Because you can't keep a non-diabetic's blood sugar high.




If you can prove that it would be extremely interesting to me and it would also bring this thread to a close and answer all my questions.
 
VinnyJames said:
Nope.

Because you can't keep a non-diabetic's blood sugar high.




If you can prove that it would be extremely interesting to me and it would also bring this thread to a close and answer all my questions.
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You are the one asking the questions.
Go do the research.
You have had test results giving you answers.
And you have had forum members giving you answers.
You reject them and keep questioning.

That's OK, but it proves that you don't like the answers, not that the answers are incorrect.
 
I haven't stated anywhere that I don't like the answers.

You appear to be getting frustrated as you cannot validate your position.

I'm sincerely and genuinely interested if a persons blood sugars can be kept artificially high.

We know blood sugars can be kept low through diet.

Nobody is right or wrong here, there is only the truth.

And that is all I'm after.
 
Lol.

We can all validate our positions. Whether we think spoon feeding info to someone is a good idea, or not, is up to us as individuals.

Your posts strike me as someone who wants answers, but wants other people to provide them.
Then rejects anything that doesn't fit with what they want the answer to be.

So why would I give you more answers?

If you want to do the research, go find it. There are links all over this forum. there are books and web articles containing brilliant new research. there are academic lectures on YouTube. It is a fascinating field. Then come back and educate us, if you find stuff to support your theories.
 
VinnyJames said:
Ok here is a question;

If I take a non-diabetic off the street and give them 300g of carbs every day with cans of coke and snacks between meals in order to keep their blood sugars high for 3 months and then send them to the doctors for a hba1c have I created a diabetic?
(Assuming their hba1c is above the threshold)
Will they always be diabetic?


An experiment similar to this was done with people masquerading as mentally ill and being admitted to psychiatric units. Their brief was to convince the medical staff they were actually in good health and get themselves released.
They couldn't get released and the experiment had to be called off for ethical reasons.
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No. Their systems will cope, unless they had an underlying propensity to becoming diabetic.
 
douglas99 said:
I've had fasting readings in the normal range, and HbA1c is the normal range for my past two of three reviews now, and reduced my meds to 500mg Metformin. (I have actually decreased them to zero, and not noticed a great difference, skewed though by coming off the Newcastle diet at the time)
But I wouldn't want to be off the diabetic register. Considering the benefits, all the free meds (for everything), the health checks, the access to my medical team, it seems pointless to be worried over having a label. (I leave worrying over labels to my kids, with their clothes).
I'm not embarrassed to be T2, I normally tell most people, (usually when they ask me how I lost so much weight)
Diabetes doesn't seem to go away, I'd rather know as soon as it comes back, if it's going to, maybe I can tolerate carbs more than some others, but that may not last, so again, the prescriptions for strips give me a better heads up on my condition.
And even if I was removed, most questions ask if I have, or was ever diagnosed T2, so I can't see any benefit there either.
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Some of us don't and never have had free medication. Everything else I can achieve by making an appointment, or seeking a consultation.
 
I don't really have any theories, they are more hypotheses that I post.

And like any hypothesis my posts are there to be supported or shot down.

Providing people can provide evidence and not just opinion any reply is welcome. But I will try to do more research on the topic but I must confess I'm finding it very difficult to get info on artificially high blood sugars.
I'll keep trying though :-)
 
Why not Google it? But, don't we all just know, or have observed, people who just live like that every day?
 
I found this in relation to OGTT;

The patient is instructed not to restrict carbohydrate intake in the days or weeks before the test. The test should not be done during an illness, as results may not reflect the patient's glucose metabolism when healthy. A full adult dose should not be given to a person weighing less 42.6 kg (94 lb), or exaggerated glucoses may produce a false positive result.


----------This seems to imply the intake of too much glucose could wrongly label someone diabetic - its only from wiki tho so hardly proof.
 
There are many articles on people who are in denial of their T2D diagnosis which can often lead to a loss of control over blood sugars.
 
AndBreathe said:
Some of us don't and never have had free medication. Everything else I can achieve by making an appointment, or seeking a consultation.
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That suits you.
I'm not as keen to lose the benefits of the NHS system.
I prefer to keep my team of HCP's, HbA1c at 2 or 3 months, annual general health check, 100 strips a month, retinopathy screens, eye tests, access to the hospital consultants, and the rest of the benefits from the NHS that are related to diabetic care.
I agree it's possible to pay to go privately, but I prefer not to have to.
Also there are a host of other complications beyond BG levels, which I wouldn't spot, so wouldn't actually ask to have checked.
My regular two or three month contact could pick up indications of these hopefully well before I see the symptoms manifest themselves.

As with all diabetic issues though, it's individual choice in how you manage it.
 
douglas99 said:
That suits you.
I'm not as keen to lose the benefits of the NHS system.
I prefer to keep my team of HCP's, HbA1c at 2 or 3 months, annual general health check, 100 strips a month, retinopathy screens, eye tests, access to the hospital consultants, and the rest of the benefits from the NHS that are related to diabetic care.
I agree it's possible to pay to go privately, but I prefer not to have to.
Also there are a host of other complications beyond BG levels, which I wouldn't spot, so wouldn't actually ask to have checked.
My regular two or three month contact could pick up indications of these hopefully well before I see the symptoms manifest themselves.

As with all diabetic issues though, it's individual choice in how you manage it.
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Yes it does suit me Douglas, and your strategy is also spiffing for you, it seems. Irrespective of my status on the diabetic register, my HbA1cs were to be reduced to annual in any case, so I was never going to have the same regularity of tests you have scheduled; now have I ever had test strips etc.

I am confident that if I have any concerns whatsoever that I will have access to medical help. I am sensible enough not to bury my head in the sand if I perceive an issue.
 
VinnyJames said:
Nope.

Because you can't keep a non-diabetic's blood sugar high.


If you can prove that it would be extremely interesting to me and it would also bring this thread to a close and answer all my questions.
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Prove that?! That's the difference between a diabetic and a non-diabetic! A non-diabetic will produce enough insulin to deal with the sugar. A diabetic won't. My highest HbA1c was 52; lower than yours, but I am diabetic and so are you.
 
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