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Query about carbs

fredericmarcel

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Insulin
I have a question : isn't there any risk in lowering the carb intake.
My doctors recommendend 80 g per meal.
If I reduce it to lower my BG, won''t I feel hungry? Did you feel hungry?
And won't there be a luck of glucose for my body, especially my brain?
 
Hi and welcome to the forum. I'm tagging @daisy1 who will give you some information for newcomers.
 
No I didn't feel hungry. I found that the less carbs I ate the less hungry I became.

I discovered this quite by accident several years ago. I was in the habit of having bacon butties for breakfast, with my son. One day I didn't have enough bread so I had just bacon, while my son had the butties. I normally got hungry again by 10 am, usually resulting in me snacking on junk food. That day I didn't even think of food until 1 pm, even though my normal lunchtime was 12! I had had the same amount of bacon and tea, the only difference was no bread. So I experimented and left out even more carbs and became less hungry.

Oh and welcome to the forum
 
@fredericmarcel

Hello Frederic and welcome to the forum Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful, in addition to the information other members have already given you. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Once you understand that the body needs fats like olive oil to repair its self you can move forward. Carbs have been used as fuel for your body so far ..but carbs turn to sugar when eaten ..so they are addictive.. When you reduce carbs to say 30 to 50g a day you need to get your fuel from somewhere else .. So this is where that full fat comes in.. Your body is going to be receiving regular amounts of fat so it's not needing to store fat .. Therefore you will loose excess fat from your body. Fat will not increase your sugar levels like carbs do, so it works to keep the T2 diabetes in check.. Test your bloods regularly to see if any foods have an unwanted impact on your blood sugar. If your not vegetarian or vegan then your protein is easy to get from meat .. Keep the fat on the cuts of meat .. Don't go overboard with the protein as its no needed is vast amounts.
 
80g per meal definitely would be too much for me. I'm averaging about 65g per day at the moment, eating full fat to make me feel full. I've been addicted to carbs for 40 years and it was really difficult to make the changes but now I know that as long as I keep below 100g per day I won't get the intense cravings and hunger I used to get!
 
I've been low carbing for about 18 months and very rarely feel hungry. If you low carb enough and your body has very little glucose, your body starts to use the fats for energy and will run just as well, if not better, (including your brain) I have normal energy levels, my brain is clearer and less foggy, I have lost about 30% of my weight, and my blood sugars are controlled. It is important to increase your fat intake by ditching any and all low fat products in favour of the real thing such as butter, and eating meat and fish, cheese, eggs and so forth. Bacon, eggs, mushrooms and tomatoes make an excellent breakfast or lunch.
 
As a T1 (30+ years). low carber for 50 years (before it was known as low carbing). I've no diabetic comications. Despite having a stomach that works slowly I do not consider that this is directly due to diabetes.

I am fitter and healthier than most non diabetics my age...

Never hungry.
 
@fredericmarcel,
The risk would be in lowering the carbs, without making up the energy deficit with other energy sources (e.g. GOOD fats), below the required energ requirements , long term.
As for the recommended 80g per meal, I normally would be over eating at 80g per DAY!
I compensate for the reduced carbs with good fats and don't feel hungry.
The adapted body will tend to burn fats rather than carbs and wrt your brain, your body can manufacture what additional glucose it requires by creating it by gluconeogenesis
 
I don't think the human species would have survived long enough to start eating lots of carbs if there were a fundamental problem with not eating them, do you?
 


80?! I hardly ever eat that much! That is a takeaway in my house. I average around 30 or 40. No risk if you change your insulin or such accordingly. If you made a meat and two veg dish for example, most will average around 40g in carbs. As for hunger it depends what you have. Meats and veggies and such may contain no carbs but will fill a tum.
 
I would personally consider doing a full weigh in of foods n carbs.. Write down the carbs for future use.

Ie even my salads of tomatoes, lettuce, cucumber, tomatoes, avocado, onions, olives has 14g of carbs.

People think that say a bolognese has negligible carbs (not spaghetti).. But mine gain when everything is fully weighed and measured equates to 17g carb.

Don't kid yourself.. There are hidden carbs... Or negligible carbs but in a full meal they do add up!!!
 
I've been told porridge is healthy but my BG isn't coming down to single figures and I've been diagnosed type 2 for three weeks, I'm on two metformin a day
 
I've been told porridge is healthy but my BG isn't coming down to single figures and I've been diagnosed type 2 for three weeks, I'm on two metformin a day
Porridge is high carb, most T2 diabetics here would find it spikes their blood sugar so they avoid it. I prefer for breakfast, scrambled eggs, bacon and mushrooms.
 
@fredericmarcel

Take it from a slightly older than you OAP: lack of carbs won't harm you as long as you replace them with god fats for your energy! The only issue you might have is with a few withdrawal symptoms (AKA low carb flu!!) for a short time as your body gets used to doing without them.

Prior to being diagnosed with diabetes about 18 months ago I was permanently tired and so brain fogged I felt like a brain dead zombie for several years, and eventually decided this was due to old age. After eventually going on a low carb diet this awful feeling disappeared and I can finally think straight again. I've eaten as few as 20g carbs a day with no ill effects and currently eat between 30 and 50g. I've lost a lot of extra weight and my blood sugar levels are nice and steady.

Robbity
 
Well i CAN have porrige, but the steel cut oats rather than the milled but even that raises my BG more than I like, so I too go for eggs, bacon or berries & yogurt
 
From tomorrow, no more porridge. I will start to seriously count carbs, wish me luck! Any advice, recipes etc, gratefully received x
 
A friend of mine (non diabetic) but told to have porridge.. He changed from his normal porridge plain oats to the 1 portion sachets with flavours in them.
He has to have porridge due to cancer in neck and still finds a lot of problems due to lack of tongue and taste and throat problems.
However, even changing to this 1 sachet packet porridge with flavourings in has altered his stomach working.
He like me (diabetic) survives on flax seed to keep his stomach working (his due to all the painkilling drugs causing severe constipation). Just changing to the additive single sachets has stopped his stomach working properly.

It is amazing that certain people can only tolerate certain foods.. Diabetes or not.

We all have to find our own tolerances..
 
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