Raised bgl on lchf

[AndBreathe]

I have also been fasting for nearly 2 months, though not allowed to fast while i am menstruating so take off a week for that, however i can definitely see a drop in the basal as i was in the 3s and 4s when i started to fast and now in the 5s to 6s, it is logical that as you dont need as much you wont produce as much, however i see it as giving the beta cells a rest by not needing to produce as much they will be able to replenish the dead beta cells and have time to create a store for the 1st secretion of insulin for a meal, so i have seen my body is coping better with carbs now than before (i am able to eat some and not sky rocket and my bg return to normal within non diabetic time frame).

I am trying to research as much as possible problem is every thing seems to be based on men and men dont have the same inner (or outer) workings as woman! It may be that this is "normal" for a womans body because of the cycle etc, we have more and different hormones so more to mess us up and trip us up.... maybe more research needs to be done using female rats/mice!

Or at least speak to woman... problem is we are all unique each cycle is unique and reacts differently after 5 months of testing upto 10 times a day i am still no closer to finding a "regular" pattern to my bgl! I guess that's the price to pay for being a woman

Professor Taylor talks about the beta cells recovering, as in almost waking up, from what I recall. I can go with that. I sort envisage my beta cells as having got a bit fed up of doing their best, without quite cutting the mustard, so they went sulking. (Not that I would ever sulk, of course. )

As and when I moderated my blood scores and trimmed up, they started coming around again, and aren't sulking anymore.

Not that I have a fertile imagination, when I'm not, ...erm,.... sulking.

 

[Oldvatr]

Thanks for reply, my body doesnt cope with carbs... i have been on the diet for for 3 months and only just finding this problem... i was worried there may be a problem with the accu-chek i have as i can get a difference in readings from the same drop of blood ( 7.0 then re-test and it be in the 5s or even 4s) if i eat sweet potato i can go up to the 8s-9s and then struggle to come down again!

changing to a new pak of strips can change the average and seem like a rise or fall, but still be considered within spec.

 

[busydiabeticmum]

Professor Taylor talks about the beta cells recovering, as in almost waking up, from what I recall. I can go with that. I sort envisage my beta cells as having got a bit fed up of doing their best, without quite cutting the mustard, so they went sulking. (Not that I would ever sulk, of course. )

As and when I moderated my blood scores and trimmed up, they started coming around again, and aren't sulking anymore.

Not that I have a fertile imagination, when I'm not, ...erm,.... sulking.

Lol thats how i see it too, like little workers, half have skivvied off and gone on strike for over time and not enough pay, so the ones i have left are doing the job of their own as well as those on strike! Sooooo i have to try to lower the work load and increase their benefits (like holiday etc) in order to entice them back to work...

Dont worry i dont think yours is over imaginitive, its how i explain the inner workings to my kids that we are just made up of loads of little people doing their own unique job (like a hive either ant or borg) and it is when one stop or doesnt do their job properly when things start to go wrong. My son especially liked the green alien attacking with the knights fight scene!!!

 

[busydiabeticmum]

changing to a new pak of strips can change the average and seem like a rise or fall, but still be considered within spec.

Ok, i started a new pack but cant remember if it was already starting to rise at that point! I have sone more coming next week so will compare then, problem is a pot of 50 only lasts about a week, i was buying them from pharmacy but at over £30 a pop it was crippling, i buy them on ebay now being careful to look at date etc, i cant check storage of them so maybe it is a bad pack!

I dont get them on nhs because i am not on meds, i need my meter to work out how to get better and cant understand why they tell us not to check! How else are we meant to get better?

 

[Oldvatr]

Ok, i started a new pack but cant remember if it was already starting to rise at that point! I have sone more coming next week so will compare then, problem is a pot of 50 only lasts about a week, i was buying them from pharmacy but at over £30 a pop it was crippling, i buy them on ebay now being careful to look at date etc, i cant check storage of them so maybe it is a bad pack!

I dont get them on nhs because i am not on meds, i need my meter to work out how to get better and cant understand why they tell us not to check! How else are we meant to get better?

Agree with your comments about not encouraging testing.
I have had bad batches this last year. One was from my pharmacy, but they would not replace the pak since it was just within the 20% error budget allowed by ISO. The second bad batch was an online purchase, and in this case the packaging showed it had been tampered with, and was in fact rebadged out of date stock i.e. a forgery. I did get a refund in that case. I personally would not buy from Ebay since there are tales of some people getting strips on scrip, and then flogging them to make money. Having had to fight hard for my scrip, I do not want to support their activity. I bought a Codefree, and fund it myself as my backup meter. It is not as reliable as my GP supplied meter, but it confirms my trends, and shows the effect of a strip pak change when the averages differ suddenly. This is my pecadillo, but it makes me happy. I can get a 1 mmol/L movement when I change a pak.

 

[busydiabeticmum]

Agree with your comments about not encouraging testing.
I have had bad batches this last year. One was from my pharmacy, but they would not replace the pak since it was just within the 20% error budget allowed by ISO. The second bad batch was an online purchase, and in this case the packaging showed it had been tampered with, and was in fact rebadged out of date stock i.e. a forgery. I did get a refund in that case. I personally would not buy from Ebay since there are tales of some people getting strips on scrip, and then flogging them to make money. Having had to fight hard for my scrip, I do not want to support their activity. I bought a Codefree, and fund it myself as my backup meter. It is not as reliable as my GP supplied meter, but it confirms my trends, and shows the effect of a strip pak change when the averages differ suddenly. This is my pecadillo, but it makes me happy. I can get a 1 mmol/L movement when I change a pak.

Thanks, really informative! I wouldnt want to buy from ebay either! But i can get 200 for £50 rather than 50 for almost the same amount! Is there any where else reliable you can get strips from without paying through the nose? I know its off topic but it does relate, i was thinking of getting a second meter, you said your other one wasnt as reliable... can you explain how? Is it higher or lower scoring? It would be good to see how other ones compare as the accu-chek aviva one i have seems to have massive differences even with the same drop of blood! So will get a result of 7 something and go wooow, retest using same blood and get a reading of 4 or 5 something!

 

[Oldvatr]

Thanks, really informative! I wouldnt want to buy from ebay either! But i can get 200 for £50 rather than 50 for almost the same amount! Is there any where else reliable you can get strips from without paying through the nose? I know its off topic but it does relate, i was thinking of getting a second meter, you said your other one wasn't as reliable... can you explain how? Is it higher or lower scoring? It would be good to see how other ones compare as the accu-chek aviva one i have seems to have massive differences even with the same drop of blood! So will get a result of 7 something and go wooow, retest using same blood and get a reading of 4 or 5 something!

Think Ebay is cheapest for Acuchek strips. I did once negotiate a bulk purchase in advance deal with a pharmacy for some NEO strips, but they are no longer trading. Caveat Emptor, i'm afraid.
My second meter is the SD Codefree which is a popular meter due to much cheaper strips available online from the importer. Bulk discount available, and VAT Free if you qualify. The meter is calibrated for Plasma settings (same as your Accuchek in fact) so you need to realise that all your readings are high by 12% for both of your meters. My NEO is whole blood calibrated so will be compatible with the ranges described in the Daisy1 newbie data and NHS pubs.

The SD does seem to misread more often than my NEO, which is why I use 2 meters so if my difference between them is different to usual then I retest. The SD needs smaller sample than my NEO. It has all the usual bells and whistles, but is apparently thirstier on batteries than others. The download cable is unique to the meter and can only be purchased from the importer. Not sure what software support since I keep my logs as manual entry and spreadsheet them myself. Lancet device takes standard generic lancets, but is a bit flimsy compared to the Accuchek one.

No meter is perfect. They all vary within the 15% error margin (which is what ISO standard requires, and which the Plasma calibration is added on top). I find with 2 meters and spreadsheet logging, I can keep track of strip changes, misreads, trends, averages as well as my food logs and medicine logs. But then I am Total Nerd!

Suggest a return to topic.

 

[busydiabeticmum]

Think Ebay is cheapest for Acuchek strips. I did once negotiate a bulk purchase in advance deal with a pharmacy for some NEO strips, but they are no longer trading. Caveat Emptor, i'm afraid.
My second meter is the SD Codefree which is a popular meter due to much cheaper strips available online from the importer. Bulk discount available, and VAT Free if you qualify. The meter is calibrated for Plasma settings (same as your Accuchek in fact) so you need to realise that all your readings are high by 12% for both of your meters. My NEO is whole blood calibrated so will be compatible with the ranges described in the Daisy1 newbie data and NHS pubs.

The SD does seem to misread more often than my NEO, which is why I use 2 meters so if my difference between them is different to usual then I retest. The SD needs smaller sample than my NEO. It has all the usual bells and whistles, but is apparently thirstier on batteries than others. The download cable is unique to the meter and can only be purchased from the importer. Not sure what software support since I keep my logs as manual entry and spreadsheet them myself. Lancet device takes standard generic lancets, but is a bit flimsy compared to the Accuchek one.

No meter is perfect. They all vary within the 15% error margin (which is what ISO standard requires, and which the Plasma calibration is added on top). I find with 2 meters and spreadsheet logging, I can keep track of strip changes, misreads, trends, averages as well as my food logs and medicine logs. But then I am Total Nerd!

Suggest a return to topic.

Thanks, will have a look into those then, dont worry i keep a spread sheet too! The diabetes nurse (1st appointment) was baffled by the pages i brought her... she wasnt expecting that, she said the results were all in non diabetic range but not as good as they are now (that was after a few weeks of lchf diet) she wanted me to go to a group.... as she said i could see a dietician and get dietry advice as she was worried about lchf. I was able to show her the exact point i started the lchf and stopped the diet they put me on! She agreed on the end that seeing a dietician or going to a group that counteracted the good bgl i was getting was pointless, (dietician advice while i was pregnant with gestational told me i could have beans, egg, mushroom, cheese on whole meal toast or plain toast 3 times a day so 6 slices of bread which now i can see my body wont tolerate and raises my bsl) never trusted them since!

On a lighter note for nerds like us... we would do very well as lawyers! Perhaps a new career option where being pedantic and medically thorough comes in handy! Lol.

 

[bulkbiker]

Thanks, will have a look into those then, dont worry i keep a spread sheet too! The diabetes nurse (1st appointment) was baffled by the pages i brought her... she wasnt expecting that, she said the results were all in non diabetic range but not as good as they are now (that was after a few weeks of lchf diet) she wanted me to go to a group.... as she said i could see a dietician and get dietry advice as she was worried about lchf. I was able to show her the exact point i started the lchf and stopped the diet they put me on! She agreed on the end that seeing a dietician or going to a group that counteracted the good bgl i was getting was pointless, (dietician advice while i was pregnant with gestational told me i could have beans, egg, mushroom, cheese on whole meal toast or plain toast 3 times a day so 6 slices of bread which now i can see my body wont tolerate and raises my bsl) never trusted them since!

On a lighter note for nerds like us... we would do very well as lawyers! Perhaps a new career option where being pedantic and medically thorough comes in handy! Lol.

I use the SD codefree too and have a trusty spreadsheet with food diary and numbers.. couldn't get by without it.. and some lovely charts. I get the strips from http://homehealth-uk.com
You can use these discount codes if you buy in bulk
5 packs 264086
10 packs 975833
works out at about £5.20 for 50 strips.

 

[busydiabeticmum]

I use the SD codefree too and have a trusty spreadsheet with food diary and numbers.. couldn't get by without it.. and some lovely charts. I get the strips from http://homehealth-uk.com
You can use these discount codes if you buy in bulk
5 packs 264086
10 packs 975833
works out at about £5.20 for 50 strips.

Thanks for the info! Just ordered one from the link you shared! Pretty cheap! Suprising thanks.

 

[bulkbiker]

Thanks for the info! Just ordered one from the link you shared! Pretty cheap! Suprising thanks.

Pleasure

 

[busydiabeticmum]

Thanks for the info! Just ordered one from the link you shared! Pretty cheap! Suprising thanks.

Ok just recieved the kit, they gave me alcohol wipes! Always told that this would skewer the results! And it did, i am testing after bf, aviva accu-chek was 9.2, code free was 8.6. Washed hands and re tested, accu-chek was 8.0, code free again was 8.6. Cf seems thirstier for blood but a goid sized drop did both meters. Bloods seem high this morning as had some cheese, natural yogurt with rasberries and blueberries. However it is the time of month where blood sugars rise (hormones) as well as heat. I cant carry on fasting at the moment and am really doing well keeping my eating under control.... that oreo cheese cake was SOOOOO tempting and i resisted. So a huge battle won... just seems like i want to eat everything in sight so keeping on the lchf diet is my new challenge and once i get past this stage i can go back to fasting. Really hungry so may go make some almond bread things to take my mind off of it though feel bad that my body is struggling to deal with the first meal and now will be throwing more at it to deal with.

 

[Oldvatr]

Ok just recieved the kit, they gave me alcohol wipes! Always told that this would skewer the results! And it did, i am testing after bf, aviva accu-chek was 9.2, code free was 8.6. Washed hands and re tested, accu-chek was 8.0, code free again was 8.6. Cf seems thirstier for blood but a goid sized drop did both meters. Bloods seem high this morning as had some cheese, natural yogurt with rasberries and blueberries. However it is the time of month where blood sugars rise (hormones) as well as heat. I cant carry on fasting at the moment and am really doing well keeping my eating under control.... that oreo cheese cake was SOOOOO tempting and i resisted. So a huge battle won... just seems like i want to eat everything in sight so keeping on the lchf diet is my new challenge and once i get past this stage i can go back to fasting. Really hungry so may go make some almond bread things to take my mind off of it though feel bad that my body is struggling to deal with the first meal and now will be throwing more at it to deal with.

The differences in readings between your meters are within themarginof accurcy for the meters. So at, say 10 mmol/l actual glucose level either meter can vary by1,5 mmol/l so one could read 8.5 and the other read 11.5, and they would still be considered 'in specification'.

This is why I use averged values for comparisons if I can, and why it is better to base decisions on delta changes rather than individual readings. The only time i need to consider a reading directly is when it is close to hypoland, when i also have to consider how i physically feel, and whether i am going to be driving soon.

Hope you fare well on LCHF (fare, as in the medieval sense) The secret is to use fat to suppress hunger pangs. Also i find Lidl Protein rolls very filling with lowish carb content. Babybels are zero carbs, zero sugar, and easy to keep and snack on. bit pricey though Avacados help too. nuts and olives might be an idea to have nearby, but care with the nuts, they can be carby.

 

[swarnag]

What do you drink when you are fasting other than water? It seems lot of you do IF with LCHF. I hope I am not going off the thread as some of you mentioned fasting.

 

[busydiabeticmum]

What do you drink when you are fasting other than water? It seems lot of you do IF with LCHF. I hope I am not going off the thread as some of you mentioned fasting.

Depends if i am fasting religiously or not!

If religious then no drink until after sunset. Then maybe diet coke/pepsi and water.

If non religiously, i will have rasberry tea, or water, but thats because i like water.

 

[busydiabeticmum]

The differences in readings between your meters are within themarginof accurcy for the meters. So at, say 10 mmol/l actual glucose level either meter can vary by1,5 mmol/l so one could read 8.5 and the other read 11.5, and they would still be considered 'in specification'.

This is why I use averged values for comparisons if I can, and why it is better to base decisions on delta changes rather than individual readings. The only time i need to consider a reading directly is when it is close to hypoland, when i also have to consider how i physically feel, and whether i am going to be driving soon.

Hope you fare well on LCHF (fare, as in the medieval sense) The secret is to use fat to suppress hunger pangs. Also i find Lidl Protein rolls very filling with lowish carb content. Babybels are zero carbs, zero sugar, and easy to keep and snack on. bit pricey though Avacados help too. nuts and olives might be an idea to have nearby, but care with the nuts, they can be carby.

Thanks, i have been testing with both not actually that different but maybe because i just opened a new box of strips for the aviva, so maybe the last batch was a bit off.

I only have about 0.1 between them with the cf consistantly testing higher than the aviva! Though since this morning were pretty good. I think that 9 was a rogue as used alcohol wipe which would have interfered as showed as soon as i washed my hands the results were in the 8s.

Thanks for the help.

 

[bulkbiker]

What do you drink when you are fasting other than water? It seems lot of you do IF with LCHF. I hope I am not going off the thread as some of you mentioned fasting.

Personally I drink tea with Soya milk (unsweetened) or coffee with soya milk and double cream 50:50 as well as water. If really have hunger pangs I have a quick slug of double cream which takes away the worst.

 

[SunnyExpat]

A lot less fat in soy milk as well.

 

[bulkbiker]

not when you add enough double cream...