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timewarp

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Hi

I was diagnosed about a month ago.

Taking Meds for it and so far it is not controlled. Additional problem is I have DVT and am Warfarinised permanently.

I am waiting to see dietician for advice that will assist both issues - quite a few veg for example produce Vitamin K which reacts with Warfarin (INR) Levels. It appears that the Metformin is lowering my Warfarin (INR) Levels.
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Hi again timewarp.

A Dietician ?? Please let us know what advice you get ? We may be able to suggest other ways to help control your Diabetes as well.

Not sure what you know about Warfarin and Vit K ? Just in case here is some info that may be useful.
What’s the issue?
People using warfarin (blood thinning) medications need to keep the amount of vitamin K from foods and supplements in their diet constant.
What is warfarin?
Warfarin is an anti-coagulant (blood thinning) medicine used to prevent blood clots (stroke, deep vein thrombosis, pulmonary embolism) in those who are at high risk (eg, have already had a heart attack).
The amount of warfarin medicine a person takes will depend on their pro-thrombin time (time taken for blood to clot) as measured by the INR (a clotting factor ratio in blood).
Anybody given warfarin is monitored very closely for the first couple of weeks until a stable dose for them is found. The INR is affected by several factors including other medications, vitamin K intake, other health conditions, alcohol use and temperature. Warfarin patients usually have their INR checked by the practise nurse at their local healthcare centre every four to eight weeks.
What foods contain vitamin K?
Food sources of vitamin K include green and/or leafy vegetables (broccoli, spinach, Brussels sprouts, cabbage, lettuce), soybean and canola oil, spirulina, green tea, natto (fermented soy bean product), wheatgerm, alfalfa and beef liver. Other Livers also may not be a good idea. Check with HCP. Dietary supplements may also contain vitamin K, such as multivitamins and bone health supplements. There are also some milk and health drinks fortified with vitamin K. People taking warfarin should check the label to determine whether a product contains added vitamin K.
What happens if I vary my vitamin K intake?
If patients change their vitamin K intake and their INR changes, this change will be picked up at testing time and the patient will be referred to their GP to have their warfarin dose adjusted. If the INR is too low, the warfarin will not be effective. If the INR is too high, bleeding times will be longer.
Anybody beginning a course of warfarin medicine is advised to keep the vitamin K content of their diet constant. If the warfarin dose is established with a constant level of vitamin K intake the INR will not be affected. Problems may arise when vitamin K intakes are varied. If a patient suddenly lowers their vitamin K intake, the INR will increase, and if a patient increases their vitamin K intake the INR will decrease.

Hope that helps. There are other Warfarin users here as well who can aslo advise you.
Ken.
 
Hi
As far as I remember, Vit K helps blood clotting. Warfarin obviously does the opposite. that presumably is why it's discouraged in your diet.
However, you have to eat and vitamin K is common. Talk to your care team and a dietitian. It may be that your doses will need adjusting.
As for control
Pretty much all diabetics and a fair few non-ds too benefit from carbohydrate reduction. This may be as simple as reducing portion size or as complicated as Atkins Induction. In between there's GI.
The only way to be sure, which is your personal best eating plan, is to get a meter. There's a lot of resistance to giving meters to T2 diabetics at the moment. Whatever they actually say, it's money that causes this. :evil: If your Health care Team, won't supply a meter and consumables, You can get one for yourself. Meters are cheap, it's the test strips that cost. ( I buy on Ebay)
Once you have a meter, NICE recommends that newly diaggnosed diabetics are supplied with "kit" whilst in the learning stage.
decide on your personal BG targets.
DUK recommend 4 - 7 before eating and no more than 8.5 after a meal. (My personal target is NEVER over 6)
plan and test your meals.
Test before eating and then 1 and 2 hours after. Note it down with your food record.Eventually you will build a picture of which foods do and which don't cause a BG "Spike"
If you are not sure what constitutes a carbohydrate, look up the "Stickies" thread.
 
Hi Time warp,
I am on warfarin for life as well, i suffered 3 pulmonary embolism and 3 Dvt's.
I know where you are coming from!
It is not good being on warfarin, but i cope i have been on it for the last 12 years now!
Timewarp being on warfarin myself as yet i am not on any medication, Got diagnoised on april 1st this year! My warfarin level's are very off set at mo!
You will find that your warfarin levels will change no matter what pills you take!
i find that my blood gets thin if i use cold and flu pills, anti botics, liver is a no no for me!
How long have you been on warfarin! Please point this out when you a dietian, please forgive my spelling eyes blurred today bad! When you see this person point out about the warfarin, as i hate to say this sometimes they don't read paperwork!
Please try to eat regular meals!
Sandy
 
Thanks a lot for the replies so far...very helpful.

Could my symptoms occur because I am fluctuating from say 12-13 down to 3/4 over a few hours?

The Metformin only reduces blood sugar slightly what happens next if it doesn't control it enough. Is Metformin the only drug to help?

Even before diagnosis I know I was between 3.5 to 4.2 before bed. I get extreme tiredness at 11, 2, 5 and 7? what might this indicate? This has been happening for some time then 6 weeks ago I got the thirst, urine issues etc.

I am just over 40 and slightly overweight :wink:

Ta
 
I can't find anything either Sue. Not just the BNF.
I have posted elsewhere about it, but I am getting confused as the same thing appears to have been asked more than once ??

Ken.
 
Sorry about the double posts...

I asked a ? in the experts section and then saw the greetings section, so I will keep it all in the ask the Expert section..

Thanks
 
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