Red wine! Miracle cure.... probably not!!!!!

well the first drink of alcohol and maybe the next half can bring ones blood glucose down with about 1 mmol.. that is if it is not a sugary alcohol drink...
But the effect good as it seems is due to a kind of overburdening the liver , so that it can not do anything else than try to clean the body from the poison that alcohol is to the human body, thats why the liver prioritize to clean the body instead of just contionuing to produce ad tranform foods to glucose and other processes..

so yes you can help your blood glucose down somewhat by taking a drink, and I myself do that sometimes when my morning numbers are too high to my liking... but as to a lot of other things , the body get used to alcohol if drinking it every day, and if drinking too much and too ofteh maybe the effect will disapear, as the liver learns itself to both produce glucose and to clean the body at the same time... that is one of the reasons that heavy drinker can outlive drinking a huge amount of alcohol, that would in non drinkers actually kill them right away in tha same amount..

so once in a while one can use that trick, but don´t count on it to work in an everyday basis in the longer run as there can be so much other damage from alcohol in daily use..

in diabetic type 2 our liver is often affected and working to rapidly or overproducing in some ways... but alcohol is no cure..

if you really want to get your numbers down on a daily basis, then try to count all your carbs , and mainly eat food without or very few carbs... a good number of carb grams a day could be try to eat only 100 grams of carbs a day or even less.

Ange G said:

I had an incredibly hectic working last week. Monday - London, 2 days back to back meetings, arrived home late Tuesday night, worked all day Wednesday, 10 hour day Leeds,Thursday, full day in office Friday. Low carbs all week even when in hotel in Monday night. BG so unpredictable, lowest reading of 6.5, highest 9.5. Friday night back home, I lost it, had home made chicken & chips for the first time in weeks with a token bit of green salad on the side, made chip butty, Mmmmmmm, all washed down with a fine bottle of Merlot. I just didn't want to be diabetic any more, I couldn't work a week like I had and be diabetic and decided I was done with monitoring. Then reality set in, I had completely changed my diet, exercise, etc in the attempt to manage this problem without meds for the last 3 months and lost 2 and 1/2 stone then I thought oops I should have got a grip, I chip butty is a carbinal sin .... I took my monitor for the 2 hours after food check and waited for the deathly results.....5.3 the lowest reading I have ever had since diagnosis 3 months ago and monitoring 4-5 times a day. So why would this be? Should I be slugging red wine with my boiled egg in the morning and maybe re-introduce toasted bread soldiers, maybe that would bring my 7.5 morning readings down beautifully. There just doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to diabetes and it frustrates me so much! Why, why, why?

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I think I might have an answer to this ! I have been doing my own testing because the fact that some meals seem to spike me horribly despite practically no carbs and some with a lot of carbs seem fine on some occasions wasn't making sense to me. (see confused about blood sugars thread)

This week I discovered that for me the difference seems to be ketosis.

i.e if I am in a state of ketosis ( for example after a fast) then the meal I then eat - even if its quite large does not make much difference to my blood sugars. If I am not in ketosis, then even eating a tiny amount of food is enough to take my blood sugars into the 9-12 range. When I am not in ketosis my blood sugars are unpredictable with a big dawn phenomenon, when I am in ketosis the dawn phenomeon is damped a lot, my blood sugars stay in range and change little with food.

It may be that during your hectic week, as you stuck to your diet, you moved from not being in ketosis to being in ketosis - similar to what would happen after a fast. If I'm right then that very same meal might well cause a huge spike on other occasions simply because of what came before it. The way to check if I am right is to get hold of a blood ketone meter ( On Call do a dual one for blood and glucose - I just use the ketone part as the glucose strips are more expensive than the code free)

If I am right, it would also mean that now and again it might be ok to have something you truly enjoy as long as you don't eat for long enough first to get a good ketone reading, and you then don't eat much after to make sure that you don't destroy the ketosis - that is now my strategy, though I am also trying to stick to low carbs as well.

( by the way my current Hba1C readings after two weeks using a Continuous Glucose monitor are now 5.9% or 41) though I have still to do the official appointment number which will probably be higher being more longer term )

Ange G said:

That is so interesting, my carb intake has been so low and I wondered if I might be ketosis so I have actually ordered some strips. I had a 9.5, 2 hours after a small yoghurt breakfast which consisted of 4 tablespoons of alpro, 6 blueberries, tablespoon of oates, sprinkle of chia seeds & cinnamon. Then the lowest 5.3 after a meal consistenting of a chips and a bread roll. I gave up bread very early into my monitoring when I learned that bread rockets my blood, so I was gobsmaked and wondered if the red wine had anything to do with it. I am continuing with low carb but I do wonder how long I can stave of the meds, I think it's only a matter of time. My bloods are so erratic. That said, I am not a quitter and I will continue to help myself as much as I can, even with the frustration that diabetes brings.

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I have now got the benefit of being able to check how my bloods moved with or without ketosis because the CGM takes readings every minute. In ketosis all the movements were smooth and the direction matched actual events . ie 45 minute after food it went up, 75 minutes after food it came down. Out of ketosis whilst one can tell the meal events, the measures change at other completely random times as well which makes seeing the patterns much more difficult. I had a high point reading of 12 after a meal of 100 calories and 2 carbs out of ketosis, and a reading of 7.1 after a meal of 1000 calories and 30 carbs in ketosis. what you describe seems pretty similar so it may well be the same phenomenon. I think I can manage without the meds, my hab1c has come down faster than yours and its been a relatively smooth process but then I know I have actually been in ketosis every day since I began the process other than the two days when all my numbers started jumping about. You might find things become more stable and the hba1c improves faster if you can achieve ketosis as well. Good luck !

CherryAA said:

I have now got the benefit of being able to check how my bloods moved with or without ketosis because the CGM takes readings every minute. In ketosis all the movements were smooth and the direction matched actual events . ie 45 minute after food it went up, 75 minutes after food it came down. Out of ketosis whilst one can tell the meal events, the measures change at other completely random times as well which makes seeing the patterns much more difficult. I had a high point reading of 12 after a meal of 100 calories and 2 carbs out of ketosis, and a reading of 7.1 after a meal of 1000 calories and 30 carbs in ketosis. what you describe seems pretty similar so it may well be the same phenomenon. I think I can manage without the meds, my hab1c has come down faster than yours and its been a relatively smooth process but then I know I have actually been in ketosis every day since I began the process other than the two days when all my numbers started jumping about. You might find things become more stable and the hba1c improves faster if you can achieve ketosis as well. Good luck !

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you are doing such a fine job CherryAA , I admire your strength... and the ketosis thing is very interesting... when I am ready and can´t Loose any more weight in the way I do now this is certainly a way I would try...

Well not sure about red wine but I found a bottle of whiskey in the cupboard last night left over from last Christmas don't have a clue about what it did for my blood sugars but it sure did improve my mood.

What other nutrients can be found in wine?

Flouride
40% –The benefit of flouride is from topical use and prevents tooth decay.
Manganese
10% –Antioxidant beneficial to brain, liver and nervous system.
Potassium
5% –Helps keep your heart beating.
Iron
4% –Delivers oxygen to your body.
Vitamin B6
4% –Helps access energy in your the body.
Vitamin B2
3% —aka Riboflavin. Antioxidant that aids in oxygen delivery in the body.
Phosphorus
3% –Bone strength, regulate hormones, aid in digestion.
Choline
2% –Helps in memory and liver function.


http://winefolly.com/tutorial/wine-nutrition-facts/

Flouride
40% –The benefit of flouride is from topical use and prevents tooth decay.

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Flouride is most definitely not a nutrient.

There is no benefit what ever from ingesting it.

JohnEGreen said:

Flouride is most definitely not a nutrient.

There is no benefit what ever from ingesting it.

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oh yes but in very very small amounts...

Even if you swill it round your teeth? @ JOHNEGreen ?
CAROL

If you read my post I said there is no benefit in ingesting it and that's in any amount If you put face cream on does that make it a dietary nutrient.Topical application may be of some benefit but even that is debatable.

Fluoridated tooth paste in the USA carries a health warning

It is not considered an essential mineral as humans neither require it for growth or to sustain life.

JohnEGreen said:

If you read my post I said there is no benefit in ingesting it and that's in any amount If you put face cream on does that make it a dietary nutrient.Topical application may be of some benefit but even that is debatable.

Fluoridated tooth paste in the USA carries a health warning

It is not considered an essential mineral as humans neither require it for growth or to sustain life.

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in the USA many Places there is fluoride in the drinking water as well and they get far too much many places, by the way there is also a lot of antidepressing remains and p-pill remains in many of their drinking water sources...
fluorid is a poison and do damage human tissue if getting to high amounts, but still it is also found naturally and some scientist do think we need a little of this.

many children like to eat toothpaste right out of the tube so it is good to be on guard that children do not use it to eat

it is also found naturally and some scientist do think we need a little of this.

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So does Arsenic and Cyanide


The human placenta makes **** sure that no fluoride gets to the fetus in the womb.