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Relative in denial of type 1

MickyFinn

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Type of diabetes
Type 1
I have settled into life managing type 1 since last November pretty well, I don't enjoy it, but I know what I have to do and have accepted I have little choice but to make the absolute best of it.

On the other side of the spectrum, I have a cousin who has been type 1 for quite a few more years than I, and she certainly doesn't manage it well. She pretty much always has very high bg levels, often between 27 to 37, but she appears to be in massive denial of diabetes, even insisting that her bg levels are normal! She's currently in hospital having operations and treatment on an insect bite on her arm that became badly infected, and eventually went septic, in fact she was due to have the second op today but one of the nurses caught her binging on biscuits so the op was cancelled and put back. She cannot help but stuff herself with carbs, and without taking insulin to manage it.

She insists the carb portion list booklet she was given is validation that she can eat whatever she wants when she wants, and without insulin too. I was told right from the off that while only a very few foods were off limits, you know, those we would treat a hypo with, I had to always carb count and try to manage my bg levels. As she is under the care of the same hospital and GP surgery, I know they would tell her the same.

My question is, do I step in and tell her a few home truths, and that she is lying to herself and everyone else, that she's in denial? Or do I leave it well alone? I doubt she would listen, but surely I should say something, right?
 
Hi @MickyFinn To be honest it sounds like if you do confront her behaviour that she has a got an armoury of responses that she has already prepared and can come back with, so you're not telling her anything she hadn't already heard. If she was my relative I would ask her why she behaves the way she does and how she sees herself in the next 10 years. I would do it in a face to face environment, no distractions and show genuine concern, explain how you manage and why you do what you do and the life you want to lead. I have found that when living with a lifelong condition that some people can create their own self management rules and this can very often go against what the medical professionals tell us, there is often a reason why people behave the way they do and it's often driven by fear, so understanding what her motivations are could help turn her life around. I wish you well in helping her
 
You're correct with suggesting that she has come up with her own set of rules, that happen to be very wide of the mark, and also that she has a set of responses ready to brickbat questions over how she manages it.

After having a chat with my mother just now on the phone about it, as I inevitably get asked questions about type 1 because of my cousin (she'd visited her), I have just been told that this morning the nurses had got her bg levels down to 5, told her not to eat because of the op, so she ignored that and decided to scoff an entire packet of biscuits because her bg was the lowest it's been.

Her attitude staggers everyone to be honest. I will possibly try and have a chat with her, although I don't know if I will achieve much.
 
MickyFinn said:
My question is, do I step in and tell her a few home truths, and that she is lying to herself and everyone else, that she's in denial? Or do I leave it well alone? I doubt she would listen, but surely I should say something, right?
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Assuming she is currently in the same hospital where her diabetes care team are why don't you ask them if they can go up to the ward and have a chat with her.
 

She is putting herself in a very dangerous situation, which she is justifying as right in her own head. Yes 5 is low for someone who is used to running high levels and it would of left her feeling as though it was too low, but over compensating with a packet of biscuits is too much. There could be many things running through her head, fear of hypos, fear of gaining weight or even denial of her condition but as you and I know, she is putting her life in jeopardy if she carries on this way. Good suggestion from @noblehead to get her team in to see her. I admire you for wanting to help her, but she has to somehow see that she does need help or otherwise you may struggle to get the message through.
 
Do you think she knows what she's saying and doing isn't correct? Eg eating carbs and not taking insulin.
You said she insists her high levels are normal sugars - do you mean she lies and says she's 7 when she's actually 25, or do you mean she's saying 25 is fine?

Just thinking out loud here, but is it possible she has an eating disorder and is purposely eating without insulin and/or skipping injections?

Or is she in total denial?
 
noblehead said:
Assuming she is currently in the same hospital where her diabetes care team are why don't you ask them if they can go up to the ward and have a chat with her.
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It's the only hospital in the area, so her consultant would work there, so that is one possibility.
 
She genuinely believes that a bg reading of 25 is perfectly normal, and justifies it by saying that normal range is different for everyone! She's more or less constantly in a state of hyperglycaemia. She also believes the carb counting guide she was given is a licence to eat any old rubbish without taking fast acting insulin! She appears to be oblivious to all the actual facts. When the surgeon/anaesthetist told her today that her eating after the allotted nil by mouth time before her operation because she could choke etc, she laughed it off and dismissed it. She's a law unto herself and appears to be completely ignorant. It has to be her attitude or lack of comprehension, as the diabetes care in this area is extremely thorough, I have found it to be.
 
This might sound a little random, but how old is she and at what age was she diagnosed?
 

Hmm, then perhaps she needs some strong words from her diabetes team? Sometimes people simply don't take in the facts and then have got used to the wrong information, so need to be firmly and repeatedly told the facts. Things like a normal blood sugar level are facts, and the potential for damage is a fact too.

Sometimes laughing off the facts is a kind of defence. It can then become a habit, and firmer words are needed to break through this defence, particularly if it's been there a long time. You mentioned her armoury of responses to people. She's obvioulsy found they work. But I'd hope someone can get through to her. Perhaps now she's in hospital might be a good time?
 
I know this doesn't help in the long run but, the packets of biscuits she's having in hospital - who is buying/supplying her with these?

As @Emily101 asked, how old is she? I'm assuming she's an adult & lives alone/without her parents?
 
I agree, she needs telling straight and that her attitude to it all stinks. I think she's one of those who only hears what she wants, and those who have tried to talk some sense have tried to be gentle, however she needs someone to be blunt.
 
MickyFinn said:
I agree, she needs telling straight and that her attitude to it all stinks. I think she's one of those who only hears what she wants, and those who have tried to talk some sense have tried to be gentle, however she needs someone to be blunt.
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She is in denial by the sounds of it and she is heading for serious complications.
I would try and have a chat with her, be assertive, but be caring as well. It's like a smoker, if they are told they should should stop smoking because of A, B, and C they wont do it, it is always down to the person to want to do it, change. Send her diabetes leaflets a magazine, even a letter if you would like, as having it in black and white may make her think twice about the damage she is doing to her body.
It could be diabetes burnout, good luck.



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MickyFinn said:
I agree, she needs telling straight and that her attitude to it all stinks. I think she's one of those who only hears what she wants, and those who have tried to talk some sense have tried to be gentle, however she needs someone to be blunt.
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I think it's a bit unfair to say her attitude stinks - by its very nature, people don't choose to be in denial, it's a psychological protective mechanism to keep them from things they can't cope with.

I would agree that it sounds like the denial needs to be broken with a blunt explaination of the facts. But if you really think the poor control stems from denial, the blunt explanation doesn't need to be accompanied by blame.
 
MickyFinn said:
I agree, she needs telling straight and that her attitude to it all stinks. I think she's one of those who only hears what she wants, and those who have tried to talk some sense have tried to be gentle, however she needs someone to be blunt.
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I agree with part of that, but I think she can't help her attitude - it's a defence.

Calm, straightforward repetition of the facts without anger or judgement is the way forward in my opinion. Correct her wrong assertions with calm facts and repeat them until she hopefully concedes she's not doing as she should. It's not her fault. She's built a wall and you need to get through it, but not with a sledgehammer, more by taking out the bricks one by one.

If she's really struggling, see if there's psycholoigical help available from her team.
 

Agree with @catapillar and @JPTS - she needs to accept she needs help and that has to come from her, her hospital visit should of been a wake up call and this may still re-ignite her thinking to knowing deep down something is massively wrong and needs changing, the simple fact her insect bite became septic is a massive wake up call for any type 1 and the need to address those high BG readings. It's interesting to hear from those who have been in denial in the past as to what the turning point was - there is always a trigger to these situations.
 
To be honest, she's running rings around the hospital staff and thinks it's funny to do so. She has a set time for antibiotic treatment in the evenings apparently, and the nurse asked her to remain on the ward, so it could be administered next. She ignored that and cleared off downstairs to smoke, only came back 20 minutes later and declared that she was ready for the treatment, but had managed to knock the cannula out of her arm. She eats before a scheduled operation and gets it cancelled, and is apparently unrepentant. She should have one last been in two or three days for treatment on her infected arm, yet it's now two weeks, and she has been the direct cause of the prolonged stay. I could go on, but suffice to say, her attitude really isn't acceptable.

If I was in the hospital, I would do whatever I could to make sure I will in there no longer than I needed to be. I certainly wouldn't pull cannulas out, or go missing for scheduled treatment etc and try to cause as much disruption as I could. How long before her antics start to impact on other patients? So yes, it stinks, and from what I have been told last night, I am wondering if anyone can get through to her.

I might add that she has removed three cannulas herself in the past two weeks.
 
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I have been told that an awful lot of people, both her immediate family, and her diabetes team have tried relating the facts so many times, so repeatedly they are now blue in the face. She seems intent on driving them all away and refusing any help. After years of trying to provide her with the facts and talk sense, apparently they are beginning to give up.

I agree she has psychological problems, and she is in denial, but possibly on a scale that few have seen before. The more I find details out, the more I find myself incredulous. Like you, I thought she might just need the facts of diabetes explaining, however, it may have gone far beyond that.

Is it possible that she has gone so far that she has not so much gone over the edge, but has actually long since forgotten what the edge looks like?
 
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Sadly, maybe the only solution is having her sectioned or whatever it's called in the UK? It's obvious she's a danger to herself.
 
Mrsass said:
I know this doesn't help in the long run but, the packets of biscuits she's having in hospital - who is buying/supplying her with these?

As @Emily101 asked, how old is she? I'm assuming she's an adult & lives alone/without her parents?
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I am not 100% sure who supplied her with the biscuits. It could easily have been a family member, but there is a convenience shop alongside the ubiquitous Costa Coffee on site in the hospital foyer, she can get them herself if she wants.

She's 45 and has three children of her own, two of which are young adults. Even my mother, who has more patience than anyone I know, has said there's no talking to her.
 
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