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<blockquote data-quote="KennyA" data-source="post: 2610592" data-attributes="member: 517579"><p>You are suggesting that 100% of people who take part in a marathon finish it, because you only look at the ones who cross the finishing line. </p><p></p><p>This is classic survivor bias - "it was successful for everyone who made it through". No-one is suggesting that a small fraction (7%) of people on low-cal did not achieve and maintain remission in this study. But 93% dropped out, presumably because they could not maintain the lifestyle. We are not told about them. How realistic is it to recommend that sort of method as a route to managing a health condition? </p><p></p><p>Here's the actual figures. </p><p></p><p>Start of trial - 149 in each group (298 total) 40% of intervention participants were on meds compared to 84% in the control group.</p><p></p><p>after 1yr 68 of 149 (46%) in the intervention group were in remission</p><p>after 2yrs 53 of 149 (36%) in the intervention group were in remission</p><p>and</p><p>after 5yrs, of the 85 of the original 149 tracked for five years, 11 (23%) were in remission. </p><p></p><p>11 is 7% of the 149 original intervention cohort.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KennyA, post: 2610592, member: 517579"] You are suggesting that 100% of people who take part in a marathon finish it, because you only look at the ones who cross the finishing line. This is classic survivor bias - "it was successful for everyone who made it through". No-one is suggesting that a small fraction (7%) of people on low-cal did not achieve and maintain remission in this study. But 93% dropped out, presumably because they could not maintain the lifestyle. We are not told about them. How realistic is it to recommend that sort of method as a route to managing a health condition? Here's the actual figures. Start of trial - 149 in each group (298 total) 40% of intervention participants were on meds compared to 84% in the control group. after 1yr 68 of 149 (46%) in the intervention group were in remission after 2yrs 53 of 149 (36%) in the intervention group were in remission and after 5yrs, of the 85 of the original 149 tracked for five years, 11 (23%) were in remission. 11 is 7% of the 149 original intervention cohort. [/QUOTE]
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