So you agree it’s weight loss that matters, not the method. Yet you apparently dismiss weight loss can occur on the second type of low carb diet you describe (increased fats to replace ditched carbs) despite many of us, and studies, showing it is possible. Me included. All 20kg.
What is your source that there are no improvements using low carb higher fats diets beyond bgl? Many metabolic markers are recorded as improving quickly on this diet. How about when weight
has been lost by this method? I’m confused because your assertion it doesn’t work contradicts your primary source of your position, Taylor. See below.
Taylor himself says
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6399621/
“Remission primarily
depended upon degree of weight loss, with achievement increasing steadily from (7%) with only 0–5 kg weight loss to 86% who lost 15 kg or more.”
“Substantial weight loss achieved by any means can bring about remission of type 2 diabetes, and this has been observed most comprehensively in the Swedish obesity study”
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“The hypothesis was developed from emerging knowledge on the relation between liver fat and control of the constant flow of glucose into the blood as well as observation that normal insulin secretion returned after
substantial weight loss in people with type 2 diabetes.” Make no mention of a particular methodology required
“Testing the hypothesis
required a sure-fire way of achieving around 15 kg weight loss, and one of the most striking findings of the 2011 Counterpoint study was the acceptability of a low calorie liquid diet for a short planned period.
1” demonstrates this choice was an option rather than a requirement and key was the loss itself
“Merely providing the information
on the degree of weight loss required for remission can allow motivated people to achieve this for themselves using their preferred method.
19” again focusing on loss not method
“Type 2 diabetes
can be reversed by substantial weight loss in the early years after diagnosis, and the pathophysiological basis of this is now clear. Long term maintenance of weight loss brings about lasting remission, but this is more difficult to achieve than weight loss.” Again loss not method
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“These data demonstrate that
intentional weight loss achieved at home by health-motivated individuals can reverse Type 2 diabetes. Diabetes reversal should be a goal in the management of Type 2 diabetes.” And again loss without mention of method.
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And within this (Reddit not twitter)
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/47psga
There’s no special protocol. The only essential is that total body fat is substantially decreased by any means to suit an individual.
Q Do you think a moderately calorie restricted ketogenic diet might be able to replicate the results?
A What we’re finding is
it doesn’t matter how you achieve the weight loss – it’s losing the substantial amount – usually around 15% of body weight – that makes the difference. The really important matter is keeping the weight off long term.
It is very clear that the background insulin sensitivity is determined by genes. However, obesity and physical activity can modify this substantially.
Such people have clearly demonstrated that their constitution puts them at risk of diabetes and this risk still remains. However, if they decrease their weight below their personal fat threshold (a level at which blood sugar is normal for them) then they will remain free of Type 2 diabetes during their active life.”
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And finally
“And, happily, the data from these real experts confirmed the findings of Counterpoint. The average weight loss achieved by people just armed with the basic information was the same as in Counterpoint – 15kg. At home and at work, going about their daily lives, people had replicated our research findings.
And what emerged was that it was the weight loss that mattered, not the particular diet the participants went on or how they did it. Around half of the group had used a liquid formula diet – as in Counterpoint – and the other half had merely cut back drastically on their normal eating. A high proportion had sought individual advice as advised on our website and had been told by their doctor or diabetes nurse in no uncertain terms not to try to lose weight rapidly. But they were so highly motivated to get rid of their diabetes that they had emailed me on hearing news reports, and understandably they had gone ahead anyway.
Prof Roy Taylor - Life Without Diabetes 2019
All emphasis in bold is mine not Taylor’s