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NOGGIN

NOGGIN

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I have been diabetic(type 2) for 16 yrs, first treated with metformin, thru other various tablets, finally going on to Lantaus, and now Lantus 1 st daily and Nova-rapid 3 times daily... So at last following the ideas on Breakfast's ie porridge! although I enjoy porridge it sends my readings through the roof,
same with pasta and rice But a meal of eggs + bacon, mushrooms or tin toms + slice of toast, my readings are well controlled....
this is despite over the years being told porridge, pasta +rice was good for me via many diabetic nurse's. as I have always maintained I eat well avoiding most sweet things + not to much breads. but I have found in My own diet THINGS that I SHOULD avoid in fact help my control better!!
I am sure I am NOT a one off as my friend is the same as me.... foods too avoid I find if eaten in small and not too often a period work better for Me then the rigorous diet I am told to follow. So starting to see NOT every one can coup with porridge etc certainly puts my mind at rest. As I was beginning to think my diabetes was some what different to others

JP
 
I find pasta will send my levels up for 24 hours. Diabetic nurses always want you to eat low fat and higher carbs. This doesn't work. Higher fat lower carbs seems to be better for control through a longer timescale. Bacon and eggs sounds good to me but I am a rebel when it comes to doing what I am told. I like porridge and eat it in small amounts when I am working, this works for me. But I wouldn't be eating things I don't like because the nurse thinks I should. Latest research is saying high fat low carbs is better, but the NHS is way behind in what they tell you. Do what works for you.
 
I eat pasta and porridge before I ride just to push my BS up and give me fuel to burn. I think they say to avoid fat because diabetics suffer from cholesterol. But there can never be a reason to stop bacon and eggs. Jane d is correct if it works for you it works for YOU.
 
Eat what works for you and sometimes treat yourself and eat what doesn't. It makes for a happy diabetic. High carbs works for me. I'm a carb monster...and apparently alone on this forum but hey. I'm lucky that being a type 1 pumper I can just up the carbs and change when it gives me insulin and chomp on but even then it is about finding what works for you. If porridge sends you up and you still want it, try splitting your insulin. Take half when you eat it and half another half hour later. There is always a way around it.
 
The US and UK governments advised people in the 70s and 80s to cut fat and consequently people ate more carbs. This coincided with the development of oral medications for diabetes. Before these meds the choice was carb-restricted diet or insulin. Allowing people with diabetes to eat the same diet as everyone else was probably seen as a breakthrough.

Now we know, that Ancel Keys' research was flawed and that a high carb diet contributed significantly to the diabesity epidemic. Guidelines are being tinkered with because governments are afraid to say " We got it wrong folks". My father was diagnosed with high cholesterol when I was ten years old so I spent all but the last three years of my life on a low fat high carb diet. Didn't work for my father, didn't work for me.

I would test and say " My blood glucose goes up when I eat porridge" and the diabetes nurse would have nothing to say. Doctors and nurses know (or should know) that carbohydrate is converted into glucose. They wouldn't give gluten to a coeliac, or peanuts to someone with an allergy but they persist in telling us to eat carbs.

So I say, be a rebel, do whatever you feel you have to, to b in control of your diabetes. It's your body, the healthcare professionals and the government advisers don't live in it x
 
NOGGIN said:
I have been diabetic(type 2) for 16 yrs, first treated with metformin, thru other various tablets, finally going on to Lantaus, and now Lantus 1 st daily and Nova-rapid 3 times daily... So at last following the ideas on Breakfast's ie porridge! although I enjoy porridge it sends my readings through the roof,
same with pasta and rice But a meal of eggs + bacon, mushrooms or tin toms + slice of toast, my readings are well controlled....
this is despite over the years being told porridge, pasta +rice was good for me via many diabetic nurse's. as I have always maintained I eat well avoiding most sweet things + not to much breads. but I have found in My own diet THINGS that I SHOULD avoid in fact help my control better!!
I am sure I am NOT a one off as my friend is the same as me.... foods too avoid I find if eaten in small and not too often a period work better for Me then the rigorous diet I am told to follow. So starting to see NOT every one can coup with porridge etc certainly puts my mind at rest. As I was beginning to think my diabetes was some what different to others

JP
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I have been diet controlled type 2 for over 5 years. I joined the forum a few weeks ago and, to be honest, I have now become confused. People keep saying their answer to control is carb watching. I control sugars &, to some extent, fats. At checkups I have not been above 5.8 since diagnosis. I have proclaimed my thanks in this forum to the Anthony Warrell-Thompson/DiabetesUK recipe/guide books. The books offer enormous but easily understood chemistry lessons but we'll worth the effort.
After joining the forum however, I became concerned that I should watch the carbs. Admittedly my weight has crept back up after the initial 2st.loss. But the diabetes has remained stabilised. In response to your views, I have concluded that the most important issue is the healthy balanced diet. I have plenty of veg. Eat grained bread, pasta basmati rice and new potatoes. Plenty of eggs and fish and lean meat (eg venison) and certain fruits. But I do eat out and with friends quite easily. Having worried for a few weeks about making adjustments I have concluded that what I do works and I'll stick to it.
 
Mary Morton said:
I have been diet controlled type 2 for over 5 years. I joined the forum a few weeks ago and, to be honest, I have now become confused. People keep saying their answer to control is carb watching. I control sugars &, to some extent, fats. At checkups I have not been above 5.8 since diagnosis. I have proclaimed my thanks in this forum to the Anthony Warrell-Thompson/DiabetesUK recipe/guide books. The books offer enormous but easily understood chemistry lessons but we'll worth the effort.
After joining the forum however, I became concerned that I should watch the carbs. Admittedly my weight has crept back up after the initial 2st.loss. But the diabetes has remained stabilised. In response to your views, I have concluded that the most important issue is the healthy balanced diet. I have plenty of veg. Eat grained bread, pasta basmati rice and new potatoes. Plenty of eggs and fish and lean meat (eg venison) and certain fruits. But I do eat out and with friends quite easily. Having worried for a few weeks about making adjustments I have concluded that what I do works and I'll stick to it.
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I think there will always be a small number of people who can achieve good results while still eating a fair amount of carbs. That doesn't mean the LCHF is wrong, it just means, like with anything, there are "outliers". If you are only slightly overweight, then eating carbs doesn't seem to affect HbA1c much (in my experience) but if a person is very overweight/obese then a normal/high carb diet is likely to increase the HbA1c.
 
I went down three dress sizes and if you looked at me, you wouldn't think me even overweight but I can't deal with carbohydrates unless in vegetables or dairy.

Staying off sugars, carbs and fruit is very beneficial for me, if my body didn't do the Dawn Phenomenon, my BG would be normal all the time.

There's nothing in fruit, that you can't get from a range of vegetables. We don't need carbohydrates at all. Pasta isn't nutritious.

I don't understand why people seem to need to go all ' I can eat carbs nah nah nee nah nah '. Why put more stress on a body that doesn't process carbs well ? Because if we could process carbs without a problem, none of us would have Type 2 diabetes.
 
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