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SunnyExpat said:
I'm sure we agree with the advice then. I would never dream to speak for your specific condition, but I agree with the advice you quoted in your link for diabetics.

'Specifically, individuals being treated for high blood pressure or diabetes might benefit by moving from the higher end of this normal intake range to the lower end'

6, (or 7) g of salt seems to be the figure we both suggest as a daily intake for diabetics?
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I think that for those with high BP that is raised by salt it seems a good idea to keep salt intake on the low side and seek medical advice on how to normalise BP.

Diabetics with normal or low BP can do as they please in my opinion. The advice for lowering salt intake always was a misguided jump from A to C as in if A causes B and B causes C, then A causes C and thus inherently pseudo-scientific. Incidentally, a bit like the advice given to most diabetics to eat plenty of carbs instead of fat.
 
I find it very odd when people quote a study to prove the information they like to believe, but object when the same study has information they choose not to regard as true.

Does that mean you now disregard the study you quoted, or you disregard the conclusions, or you choose to re-write it, and select only the parts you like to support you own theories?

Personally, I would choose to believe it in it's entirety, and wouldn't dream to suggest my own opinion should override the evidence presented, as that would indeed bee pseudo-scientific, and I would doubt you would want to present yourself that way.

Incidentally, I don't believe any carbs instead of fat has been mentioned anywhere in the report you quoted, or indeed this thread?
 
SunnyExpat said:
I find it very odd when people quote a study to prove the information they like to believe, but object when the same study has information they choose not to regard as true.

Does that mean you now disregard the study you quoted, or you disregard the conclusions, or you choose to re-write it, and select only the parts you like to support you own theories?

Personally, I would choose to believe it in it's entirety, and wouldn't dream to suggest my own opinion should override the evidence presented, as that would indeed bee pseudo-scientific, and I would doubt you would want to present yourself that way.

Incidentally, I don't believe any carbs instead of fat has been mentioned anywhere in the report you quoted, or indeed this thread?
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As the study we both like to quote from is called
"Normal Range of Human Dietary Sodium Intake:
A Perspective Based on 24-Hour Urinary Sodium
Excretion Worldwide" I would have thought it obvious it's not about diabetes and sodium intake.

If you are interested in diabetes and salt there are other studies. I give you two, one on T1 and the other on T2.

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/34/4/861.short
CONCLUSIONS In patients with type 1 diabetes, sodium was independently associated with all-cause mortality and ESRD. Although we have not demonstrated causality, these findings support the calls for caution before applying salt restriction universally. Clinical trials must be performed in diabetic patients to formally test the utility/risk of sodium restriction in this setting.

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/34/3/703.short
CONCLUSIONS In patients with type 2 diabetes, lower 24-h urinary sodium excretion was paradoxically associated with increased all-cause and cardiovascular mortality. Interventional studies are necessary to determine if dietary salt has a causative role in determining adverse outcomes in patients with type 2 diabetes and the appropriateness of guidelines advocating salt restriction in this setting.
 
So, we seem to agree, all three reports suggest diabetic patients are not the same as mainstream non diabetics.
 
SunnyExpat said:
So, we seem to agree, all three reports suggest diabetic patients are not the same as mainstream non diabetics.
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The two diabetes and salt studies, had you cared to read the short versions, would have told you that a high salt intake might be bad but a low salt intake might be even worse.

Possibly your normal salt is my low so your low might be killing diabetics. Who knows? As yet there seems to be no really hard evidence for low salt intake being beneficial apart from those with high BP who can lower their BP by lowering salt intake. Still, LCHF could have an even greater effect on lowering BP for hypertensive diabetics but I'm tired now and have other things on my mind than looking up studies. I think @Southport GP has some data on low carb effects on BP though.
 
Why are you dragging low carb into a discussion on elevated salt?
An alternative agenda, or muddying the waters after you have admitted your suggestions for high salt intake is incorrect?

Can we stay on track for this thread, and remember you have already admitted your original suggestion for high salt was incorrect?

As you admit though, time to let it go, and move on.
 
SunnyExpat said:
Why are you dragging low carb into a discussion on elevated salt?
An alternative agenda, or muddying the waters after you have admitted your suggestions for high salt intake is incorrect?

Can we stay on track for this thread, and remember you have already admitted your original suggestion for high salt was incorrect?

As you admit though, time to let it go, and move on.
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I thought we were talking about salt and low carb. At least the OP was.And we are on the low carb part of the forum, right?

And I've gotten increasingly tired of you yapping about high salt when all I wanted to talk about was normal salt intake. I am now taking myself off this particular discussion.
 
Totto said:
I thought we were talking about salt and low carb. At least the OP was.And we are on the low carb part of the forum, right?

And I've gotten increasingly tired of you yapping about high salt when all I wanted to talk about was normal salt intake. I am now taking myself off this particular discussion.
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Excellent, the title is 'Salt' and you have already admitted you were wrong on the 'normal' salt intake, so it would be beneficial to the op if you did move off, and stopped muddying the waters, let the studies you quoted stand as they are. As you say, yapping incessantly isn't helpful to anyone.
 
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After charging round two supermarkets and cooking lunch, my BP yesterday was 117/74 which doesn't seem too bad to me. I don't add salt to anything I cook or to anything I eat except eggs. I use very low salt stock cubes as a preference also. The BP above, is after eating grilled Halloumi with cherry tomatoes and fresh herbs. Halloumi is one of the three saltiest cheeses, the others being Roquefort and Feta.
 
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