On the other hand, the French do eat a lot of white bread. It is going to be fascinating over the next few years (how many - any bets?) watching how the NHS, Heart UK etc handle the climb-down over their dietary advice. And will diabetics who have dutifully eaten the infamous "plate" sue the NHS for the damage it has done to their health?I saw the thread title and thought 'there is no evidence!' and 'this should be good'.
Actually there is some evidence :
France has one of the highest consumptions of saturated fat.
It also has one of the lowest rates of CHD
Because this doesn't fit into the traditional Diet Heart Hypothesis they have to call it the French Paradox.
You couldn't make it up.
Geoff
They have never proved consumption of meat fats leads to higher cholesterol
So confusing
I find it incomprehensible that one person's views, findings, opinions - call it what you will - can be so blindly adopted and pushed, hard, onto an unsuspecting public. I am reminded of the study that brought about the plugging of the high-fibre diet, namely a doctor's study of, to be indelicate, the poo habits of Ugandans.....This diet/heart myth can all be laid at the feet of one man whose qualifications/specialties were, or so I have read, in Economics and Fish Physiology.
I find it incomprehensible that one person's views, findings, opinions - call it what you will - can be so blindly adopted and pushed, hard, onto an unsuspecting public. I am reminded of the study that brought about the plugging of the high-fibre diet, namely a doctor's study of, to be indelicate, the poo habits of Ugandans.....
Very true @Guzzler. Dr. Jason Fung has a recent blog on therapeutic nutrition. In it he talks about past medical treatments which today are recognised as being dangerous fads. He notes that the 1949 Nobel Prize winner for medicine was a doctor who perfected the lobotomy procedure which he did with great efficiency with an ice-pick like instrument:That is why ego plays a big part in all of this. The hyperinflated ego of those whose 'theories' gain ground and the subsequent ego bursting quality of those who buy into said theory.
Very true @Guzzler. Dr. Jason Fung has a recent blog on therapeutic nutrition. In it he talks about past medical treatments which today are recognised as being dangerous fads. He notes that the 1949 Nobel Prize winner for medicine was a doctor who perfected the lobotomy procedure which he did with great efficiency with an ice-pick like instrument:
https://idmprogram.com/therapeutic-nutrition-paradigm-21st-century-medicine/
Really, the medical establishment bought into this as recently as 1949??? As they say: "Science advances one funeral at a time".
It takes a lot for a layperson to admit that they were wrong so how much harder to admit a wrong doing if you are a boffin?
Why do we even debate how much fat we eat good or bad when it is just a matter of personal choice and taste. How many here eat more saturated fat just because someone said it is good for you regardless of whether you like it or not and how many do not eat much at all because they do not think it is good for them, does not suit them or just don't like it. For me it is a no brainer I don't eat much saturated fat because I do not like it simple as that...as in red meat, sausages bacon and full fat dairy that's my choice I presume others eat it because they do like it but my taste buds are not going to change because something in the media says it is good to eat fat
Everyone is entitled to their own tastes. Just like Jack Sprat and his wife.Why do we even debate how much fat we eat good or bad when it is just a matter of personal choice and taste. How many here eat more saturated fat just because someone said it is good for you regardless of whether you like it or not and how many do not eat much at all because they do not think it is good for them, does not suit them or just don't like it. For me it is a no brainer I don't eat much saturated fat because I do not like it simple as that...as in red meat, sausages bacon and full fat dairy that's my choice I presume others eat it because they do like it but my taste buds are not going to change because something in the media says it is good to eat fat
A good example of professional hypocrisy..During the Brexit campaign Michael Gove said we had enough of 'experts'.
He meant voices with a vested interest in influencing us one way
Not about being bright or about if fat is good or bad for us I just do not like the taste of red meat and I do not eat much butter or cream I find them to rich ..Why do people think if someone does not eat loads of meat and lot of butter and cream it is because they were told not to when it is simply because we don't like itI think its more that we are avoiding something we do like ( fat) because we were told its bad for us. I know that I did. I dont anymore. I eat fat, but avoid carbs. And I like some carbs.
It might be a no brainer for you but I am obviously not as bright!!!
Geoff, it's a pity that mother Nature made a combination of saturated fat and sugar even tastier!Everyone is entitled to their own tastes. Just like Jack Sprat and his wife.
What I see on this forum is people pushing back against decades of misinformation (akin to brainwashing)
People like myself didn't learn about sat. fat and choose to go on an eating spree. There was still a little voice (or was that just me?) reminding us that all that sat.fat was bad for us.
With each new voice exposing the myth about sat.fat our programmed psychological resistance to eating it diminished.
During the Brexit campaign Michael Gove said we had enough of 'experts'.
He meant voices with a vested interest in influencing us one way.
For some diabetics the expert voices we've had enough include those promoting carbs with every meal/ those discouraging T2Ds from testing/ those warning against sat.fat.
We've started asking for evidence and the silence is deafening.
I promote sat.fat not because I believe it's not bad for us. I believe it's actually good for us.
Unfortunately for some, the psychological resistance is strong. For others, it's a personal dislike.
I could never 'get' how the Universe/God/Mother Nature made sat fat 'bad' when it tasted so good. Now I know why.
So if we can live in a psychological space where we might accept sat.fat/avocados/tomatoes/(disliked food of your own choosing) is good for us but that we personally dislike it, then we can be at peace with the world.
No one's advocating mandatory consumption.
Geoff (not a tomato lover)
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