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scurvy making a come back

So, that report is basically a dig at low carb diets then?

I would be very interested to find out what Vit C levels were found in a cross section of the population, diabetic or not.

And what Vit C levels were found in a well designed low carb diet (like mine) where I have in excess of the recommended daily amount of veg, on average, often lightly cooked or in salads - including veg and berries which have very high levels of vit C. Of course, I also eat slow cooked stews, but they are not ALL I eat.

Surely EVERYONE knows that a diet (whether low carb or not) should not contain nothing but cooked-to-death veg?
 
Brunneria said:
So, that report is basically a dig at low carb diets then?

I would be very interested to find out what Vit C levels were found in a cross section of the population, diabetic or not.

And what Vit C levels were found in a well designed low carb diet (like mine) where I have in excess of the recommended daily amount of veg, on average, often lightly cooked or in salads - including veg and berries which have very high levels of vit C. Of course, I also eat slow cooked stews, but they are not ALL I eat.

Surely EVERYONE knows that a diet (whether low carb or not) should not contain nothing but cooked-to-death veg?
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I'd say you'd be fine with your vitamin C levels from what you eat and how you cook your vegetables.

I think this is just raising a concern of findings from the clinical researcher and her intentions of seeking funding for a more wide spread study which by the looks is to include non diabetics as well.

I had my vitamin levels checked not long ago and I got told my levels are good. But then I do worry about my levels now as I've had to eliminate a lot of food from my diet. I hardly eat much fruit anymore. I have to be careful with food texture so I tend to over cook vegetables now when I never used to prior to my health issues. I can't just take a multi-vitamin either as I'm not allowed to take any supplement with potassium in it. But I think I may start to take Vitamin C occasionally just to be on the safe side. The last thing I need is another disease.
 
If you can eat the fruits and vegetables... a good idea to eat them for sure. I'm quite limited. But the lady in the photo in this report she actually commented on the news that she was living off fast food and take-aways (she's type 2 diabetic). So her diet I'd say was not very good compared to a lot of us here who do our best. You don't get that much goodness in fast foods and take-aways here.
 
when having raised blood glucose one do maybe have a need for more vitamin C than people with a lower and normal blood glucose , as the oxydation in ones body will be higher when having higher blood glucose levels, and vitamin C, and other antioxydants do counteract that like do also Alpha Lipoic acid which is used by many diabetics too for the same reason...
 
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I've just been reading up on tomatoes. It seems 180g contains 33% of the daily recommended Vit C intake. Among a whole host of other important vits and minerals. :)
 
Brunneria said:
So, that report is basically a dig at low carb diets then?
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Where did you get this idea from?

There is no mention whatsoever in that article regarding low carb diets causing a lack of Vitamin C...

Like me, you probably choose to avoid fruits which spike your BG too greatly? Instead, you get your quota of Vit C from sources which comply with your strict BG management.

The article is right in addressing the shortfalls many diabetics have with regards to a proper diet. When you cut out on fruit for better BG, the lack of vitamins needs to be found elsewhere. An example for this, chuck the oranges and bring in the broccoli! I guess it's the same as the LCHF approach where carbs are axed and fats are upped.
 
GrantGam1337 said:
Where did you get this idea from?

There is no mention whatsoever in that article regarding low carb diets causing a lack of Vitamin C...

Like me, you probably choose to avoid fruits which spike your BG too greatly? Instead, you get your quota of Vit C from sources which comply with your strict BG management.

The article is right in addressing the shortfalls many diabetics have with regards to a proper diet. When you cut out on fruit for better BG, the lack of vitamins needs to be found elsewhere. An example for this, chuck the oranges and bring in the broccoli! I guess it's the same as the LCHF approach where carbs are axed and fats are upped.
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I guess you are not up on the latest furore Down Under with Dieticians V Low Carbers, then?

But yes, while my interpretation is a perfectly valid one based on the wording of the article, as Mep comments lower in the thread (from the actual news article, not the link given), the T2 in the photo was actually eating mainly junk food, which puts a different perspective on it.
 
GrantGam1337 said:
Where did you get this idea from?

There is no mention whatsoever in that article regarding low carb diets causing a lack of Vitamin C...

Like me, you probably choose to avoid fruits which spike your BG too greatly? Instead, you get your quota of Vit C from sources which comply with your strict BG management.

The article is right in addressing the shortfalls many diabetics have with regards to a proper diet. When you cut out on fruit for better BG, the lack of vitamins needs to be found elsewhere. An example for this, chuck the oranges and bring in the broccoli! I guess it's the same as the LCHF approach where carbs are axed and fats are upped.
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What is scurvy?

Scurvy is a disease resulting from a lack of vitamin C
Patients develop anaemia, debility, exhaustion and swelling in some parts of the body
People with, or at risk of type 2 diabetes are often recommended a low-carbohydrate high-fat diet (LCHFD)
These diets often limit the amount of fruit or vitamin C consumed
The disease is estimated to have killed at least two million sailors between 1500 and 1800
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From the article
 
Brunneria said:
I guess you are not up on the latest furore Down Under with Dieticians V Low Carbers, then?

But yes, while my interpretation is a perfectly valid one based on the wording of the article, as Mep comments lower in the thread (from the actual news article, not the link given), the T2 in the photo was actually eating mainly junk food, which puts a different perspective on it.
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No I am not, but I'm sure you can enlighten me...:)

I'd still say this article is in no way related to LC diets though. It only mentioned overcooked veg and lack of fruits tbh. You are right though in saying that there is a alternative perspective put on it wrt to the lady's unhealthy dietary choice. If you stuff your body full of junk, it's of little relevance (on the grand scheme) as to how little or how much vitamin C you're getting.

The fact that the article doesn't address junk food diets directly almost voids there data entirely. You will always lack vitamin C, if all you're eating are burgers and ice cream:)

EDIT - found the LCHF reference after opening the article on my laptop, my apologies! In my defense, the bullet point entries which @JohnEGreen provided are actually missing from the article when opened on my smartphone...? Thanks for the heads up all the same.
 
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From the article
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well thats what I say all the time, when one does change ones diet drastically, one has to know something of nutrition in general and of in which foods the different minerals and vitamins and trace-minerals are found, and how they are destroyed s well..
vitamin C is easily destroyed while cooked... so raw foods are the better sources of vitamin C, and fruits are obviously very othen eaten raw... not all vegetables are
 
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Brunneria said:
So, that report is basically a dig at low carb diets then?
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I sure hope not - the low carbing sure made a difference for me and I suspect scurvy will be a problem not just for people with diabetes but anyone who eats that fast already prepared meals (fast food) Considering the under nutritious over processed food trends that have been going on in society for some time now, I suspect we will see a lot of malnutrition anomalies. We enjoy cooking and do that all the time however you would be surprised how many people either don't cook or don't know how to cook.

Hopefully these nasty food trends will start changing.
 
GrantGam1337 said:
Where did you get this idea from?

There is no mention whatsoever in that article regarding low carb diets causing a lack of Vitamin C...

Like me, you probably choose to avoid fruits which spike your BG too greatly? Instead, you get your quota of Vit C from sources which comply with your strict BG management.

The article is right in addressing the shortfalls many diabetics have with regards to a proper diet. When you cut out on fruit for better BG, the lack of vitamins needs to be found elsewhere. An example for this, chuck the oranges and bring in the broccoli! I guess it's the same as the LCHF approach where carbs are axed and fats are upped.
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It does mention under a side heading on the right in the article titled "what is scurvy" -
  • People with, or at risk of type 2 diabetes are often recommended a low-carbohydrate high-fat diet (LCHFD)
So @Brunneria is right, it's in there. But yeh, although the lady interviewed had a bad diet, I'm not sure what the rest of them ate that were in the study. But then obviously their diets were lacking in Vitamin C.
 
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It does mention under a side heading on the right in the article titled "what is scurvy" -
  • People with, or at risk of type 2 diabetes are often recommended a low-carbohydrate high-fat diet (LCHFD)
So @Brunneria is right, it's in there. But yeh, although the lady interviewed had a bad diet, I'm not sure what the rest of them ate that were in the study. But then obviously their diets were lacking in Vitamin C.
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Yeah it doesn't show on their mobile site... It makes the majority of what I wrote to @Brunneria irrelevant.
 
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