I've just had a quick look (because I've never heard of HDL/Trig ratio showing IR) and it looks as though the site does an IR calculation on insulin/glucose then a heart health calculation based on cholesterol ratios.
So it doesn't seem to do quite what you seem to suggest, unless I am misreading your post.
I'm not sure if you are buying this ready-mixed? If so, you could reduce the price by mixing your own. Lots of ideas on the internet.
This Forum is swarming with ideas for low carb substitutes and enjoyment. Scroll right down to the Food & Nutrition section.Very useful. Had never thought of that. Could have it exactly how I want it too.
Hi Carpetsalesman,
That doesn’t sound good, though I guess at least your BS level hasn’t gone up further? Hopefully over time it will start to come down and it’s just a lag effect, have you lost weight since you changed diet? My thought process is if weight comes off then surely blood sugar levels should logically follow, or is it not as simple as that?
I hear what your saying on weetabix & you may well be right, but for now I’m sticking with the 1, at least until I see evidence my blood glucose level isn’t dropping or it causes a spike after eating it.
My Abbott Libre arrived today, only 2 days after I ordered it, hadn’t expected it so soon, so will get started with it tomorrow.
One thing I am wondering, is it possible some people (especially those who do lots of exercise like you do) are prone to high blood sugar levels, so diet changes will only have a minimal effect? You’re not diabetic, your body has just adapted to high BS to cope with the level of exercise you do?? No idea if that could be possible, but perhaps high BS is just your normal state now??
I've lost about 20lbs, which has put me at BMI 22, body fat 15%. So it was there to lose but I'd rather not lose any more now. I had assumed that everyone with blood glucose / diabetes issues was just a massive fatty who couldn't stop eating chips. I now know this is not the case.
Trying to shift from cardio to weights after having seen the magical effects of lifting on blood glucose. I'm starting to think that I could reintroduce cereal on the days I'm going to exercise directly afterwards. Weights are also good for middle aged men who benefit from the testosterone stimulus.
It's quite a big lifestyle change. Pasta was easy to drop, but I really miss breakfast cereal! I find myself haunting the cereal aisle checking the labels and sighing.
Watch out with alcohol, it's not so much the carbs as the alcohol. Low carb increases your sensitivity while you're drinking and alcohol depresses your liver activity overnight, so you can find that just a few beers has you woozy on the night and then up in the night feeling sweaty and faint and "low".
But, better than having your toes amputated (just about).
I am new to all this so I'm happy to be corrected on anything by the old timers.
Thanks Carpetman for the advice & yes I’m going to do a bit more in terms of strengthening exercises, it’s good for the running & if it helps BG levels all the better.
I read your other thread & if I read it correctly your last Hba1c test was in the normal range, is that correct? If so that’s great news, so at least the hard work hasn’t been for nothing. I really think you’ll be able to keep it there if you keep up the exercise & low fat diet.
I did think on the other thread I read you may be in danger of micro analysing the data too much, some of your posts seemed quite stressed at times over day to day blood changes. Its one of the things I’m worried about myself as it’s a bad habit I have which I don’t want to see raise my own stress levels, hence why I opted for the Libre instead. If you’re cool with it all that’s great but think it would drive me a bit potty all that micro analysis day after day!
I hope you get to introduce a bit of cereal back into your diet if you really miss it & it doesn’t affect your BG level too much.
All the best
Dan
Yes, very insightful comments. I was definitely worried and a probably a bit obsessive in the early weeks. I get a feeling of control from being on top of all the numbers. Measuring keeps me on the straight and narrow. Without having to face the fingerprick test, I could easily eat an entire packet of chocolate digestives in one sitting, or three helping of carbonara, or a multipack of crisps or a tub of ben&jerrys, etc., you get the idea.
I did score a normal HbA1C at the beginning, but I carry a genetic blood disorder which renders HbA1C unreliable.
Ultimately, I've concluded I'm a "pre", hence this is why I'm on this forum. FBG long term average is currently 6.0 on low carb, and excessive carbs make me ill. I've seen the warning signs and it's up to me to implement the long term lifestyle changes and fend this thing off for hopefully decades to come.
It's a different flavour being an active, not overweight "pre", because it can feel like there's nowhere to go. At least the big guys have loads of scope for improvement. On the upside, you're running 30km a week already, you already know you can do the lifestyle it's probably more about tweaking diet and activity rather than upending your whole way of living.
Very interested to hear how you get on with the libre particularly how it behaves overnight and whether you get the dreaded liver dump.
If you scroll down a little on that website, you'll see the HDL/Trig calculator, it's just below the Insulin Resistance Calculator but the HDL/Trig ratio is in itself an indicator of insulin resistance - at least that's my understanding of it - but not an expert by any means - am still very new to all this - and aware that there are many more knowledgeable folk in this forum.
Well I started on the Libre yesterday evening & so far it’s been remarkably unremarkable! Early days obviously but so far little showing up of concern, started the day at 4.3, rose up to 6.2 after breakfast but within an hour was back down to 4.2.
Slight climb this morning but nothing material, basically been tracking between 4.5 - 5.5 all day, small couple of short term deviations either side of this but that’s about it!
Still feel generally a bit weak & lacking in energy, especially this afternoon, though was okay this morning at the gym & hunger pains definitely reduced. Also the tummy has definitely shrunk considerably - confirmed by wife this morning, so I’ve definitely shed some bad fat.
Very envious of those scores. So far it sounds like you're going to be fine and you just need to take the lesson on excess carbs. No dawn effect - whereas I've only managed to start the day below 5.0 on two mornings out of 150 attempts!
Keep us posted.
Other way around.. it's Trig/HDLIf you scroll down a little on that website, you'll see the HDL/Trig calculator, it's just below the Insulin Resistance Calculator but the HDL/Trig ratio is in itself an indicator of insulin resistance - at least that's my understanding of it - but not an expert by any means - am still very new to all this - and aware that there are many more knowledgeable folk in this forum.
Hello mate, I am green with envy at your scores. While you're still Libre-ing, are you considering seeing what your old diet does on the libre? Would give you a benchmark.
On your question, I'm not qualified to say but what I've read here is that nobody takes much notice until the 2 hour point. But as a comparative datapoint I can tell you that I had about 50g of carbs yesterday for lunch - lentil soup and a slice of toast, and was up at 10.1 three hours later. Got back to 5.2 six hours later. And I have a1c of 37 and passed the oral glucose test perfectly. I've seen 9s that dropped quickly but it depends on the food type, time of day, activity level, etc.
But it looks like you're doing well, or maybe you're immune to weetabix and haven't found your kryptonite yet...
I'm thinking about trying IF to see what that does as an experiment. Fung is very convincing and what the heck why not give it a go.
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