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Son of a diabetic (from France)

frenchGuy

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Hi everybody,
I'm a 33 years old guy living in France and french also.
Therefore, my English maybe poor so please be indulgent.

My mother is diabetic (type 2) since 25 years and had a stroke 2 years ago so the topic just become a obsession to me to the point of behaving like I'm diabetic to help her.

She is very ignorant in nutrition and diabetes complications because she is illiterate and trust blindly the MD even after an undiagnosed stroke.

So I'm trying to make the bridge between my readings and her.
That was my initial target. Now i'm helping her having better glycemic control because I do not think that they are competent at all. Very disappointed. They are only good to provide palliative care.

I have bought a glucose meter, a blood pressure monitor and a fat muscle scale. In france too, the national health care does not
pay for a glucose meter or strips for diabetes type 2 but are willing to pay for drugs at 100% for decades.

Little by little, I have become obsessed with this disease. My Bible is the book of DR bernstein. He is my hero :D
There is nothing worth reading in the french litterature about diabetes management other than the usual recommendations, that is why I have to switch in english.
I consider myself as a fiabetic( futur + diabetic - my own word)

Also, I have very little trust in most French MDs to help my mother with her diabetes.

Even the HAS (equivalent of NHS in France) write in our of their document (translated in English):
"Advise bread and starchy foods. This has no direct link their effect on blood glucose, to the extent that the starches have significant variations in their glycemic index"
yes your read it. Bread has NO impact on BG.
Well, my glucose meter tells me a different story even for a non diabetic. For my mother a meal with bread end us after 2h with >2g/liter.

It is so difficult to admit that the bread HAS a clear impact of blood glucose level even if bread is part of the tradition?
Is it the pressure of the french bread lobby ? Other suggestion ?


Our MD thought that I was referring about avoiding table sugar when I mentioned LC diet !

I do not say that LC is the solution for everybody.
But at least I should have the choice especially if her hbA1C gets better with this diet.

Most of them will just tell you to take drugs with another two sentences health-related advice.(eat less and exercise).

I have to follow that same recommended diet first even if I do not suffer of that ailment or do not live with her.
I'm sure it helps my mother to follow the diet by knowing that I am not just talking even I cheat sometimes.

In the process,I have lost around 1stone 8lb (form 11st 2.5lb to 9st 6.3lb in 4 months) although I was not overweight in the 1st place.
For that weight, without sport, I am probably on calorie restriction (another subject that passionate me)

I have discovered that I have on average a FBG of 90mg/dl(4.7nmol) and around 70mg(3.9 nmol)if I eat just 2 times per day or fast.
I have to go below 85mg (FG) as recommended by a great article "glucose the silent killer" by Life Extension.
In France, >=1.1 is prediabetic but in USA it is at 1g. So I will follow the ADA approach in only this case.
I will not wait like most people or my mother to be warned by a doctor that my blood sugar is too high.

What I have done so far:
* a home made glucose tolerance test (OGTT) with a very high carbs meal to check my insulin resistance.
* asked for my insulin level along with my BG to know my insulin sensitivity (HOMA test)

Back to my mother:
* she does not have blood pressure anymore
* Her Hba1C drop for 7% to 5.8%(8.6 to 6.7nmol/L) which was the best one since 4 years with the low carb diet recommended by me.

With her diabetologist for a annual visit, We talked about the low-carbs diet(not so low: around 100 g per day) very briefly and the need of glucose for the brain.

He said that the brain can live only with glucose! (-> a LC diet is bad, you moron!)
I replied that carbs can be made by the body (gluconeogenesis) and it is the only one not essential macro nutriment. Then ,he warned me about the dangers for the brain of Ketosis !
And how about the danger of high blood sugar ?

But I am sure that brain can use ketones up to 70% (see Brain metabolism during starvation). I did not reply that because I verify that only after, being in doubt.

He is probably afraid of DKA when I talked only about a LC diet even if my mother never took an insulin shot.

Do I have to correct even a diabetologist about the brain metabolism ?
How can a diabetes specialist ignore that brain can use not only glucose and confuse nutritional ketosis with Ketoacidosis ?Or am i the ignorant ? Feel free to correct me.


ps: If you are french or living in France, feel free to contact me. We need to support each other
 
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It's impressive to hear about how you are caring for your mother. I agree that it is distressing to find that some medical practitioners aren't up to speed with appropriate treatment. That must hurt when a loved one is on the receiving end of faulty advice. I was at a physiotherapy appointment early today and was reading the literature lying around while I waited to see the therapist.: the 'Eat Well' plate diagram, advice on lowering fat intake, controlling cholesterol ... quite a lot of this information is out of date ... But it takes a long time for big organisations like NHS (HAS in France?) to change their advice - time we don't have.
 
Well it sounds about the same advice we get here. Doctors I think have gone deaf, they need to start listening to patients that are having success at controlling 'their' diabetes. They maybe don't want to hear of good stories - it may in the UK affect the budgets if people don't need meds.
It sounds like you are taking control of your mums and your health, well done.
 
Hi frenchguy. Welcome to the Forum :). I will @daisy1 who will provide you with some basic information.
 
@frenchGuy

Hello and welcome to the forum :) To help you to help your Mum, here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi everybody,
1 Do I have to correct even a diabetologist about the brain metabolism ?
2 How can a diabetes specialist ignore that brain can use not only glucose and confuse nutritional ketosis with Ketoacidosis ?Or am i the ignorant ? Feel free to correct me.

Hi and welcome!
And well done for helping your mother to such a fantastic HbA1c

To answer your questions:

1 Yes. I am afraid so. That myth about the brain needing dietary glucose is old, and very well accepted amongst 'experts'. It is something they are taught in school, and believe without question.

2 I think they just don't have up to date information, and don't continue to educate themselves after training. I appreciate they are busy professionals, but most career paths place some responsibility on the individual continuing to keep abreast of new information.

The confusion over ketoacidosis and nutritional ketosis is also of long standing, but to be fair, the number of patients who turn up to a diabetes clinic in a state of nutritional ketosis must be very, very rare. Most people in nutritional ketosis have their blood glucose under excellent control, so they are less likely to be referred to clinics.

Also, ketoacidosis only happens when there is high blood glucose (over 13mmol/l) for a length of time AND insufficient insulin. This makes it rare or even impossible for Type 2 diabetics and non diabetics. So the moment a diabetic consultant sees ketones, they are used to being very concerned - because in their clinic experience, this means ketoacidosis - although they will probably only ever have seen it in T1s, or T2s whose beta cells have given out.

No reason why we can't educate the experts about nutritional ketosis though. :D
 
Hi French guy!
This site will help in more ways than one, it's helped me go from an HBA1C of 7,7% to 6% in 3 months...
I also live in France and am thanking my stars that I'm bilingual as I've not been able to find anything remotely similar on French internet. I don't even mention LCHF to the medical profession over here, they do not seem able to even understand the concept (mais il faut des glucides pour survivre madame!!). Feel like asking why I 've not dropped dead since last October!!!o_O
 
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