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Difficult one there Connie, doctor education! I have the same problem my eldest is a GP. and a prophet is not accepted in his home country!
Difficult one there Connie, doctor education! I have the same problem my eldest is a GP. and a prophet is not accepted in his home country!Thanks for your reply lindesfel , I certainly don't want to take anything that makes type 2 any worse as I have worked hard at being med free and keeping my bloods under control.
I have agreed to go just to see what they can offer other than Statins which should be interesting. I don't think my LDL is that bad either at 4.2 but seems my doctor does not agree !
This first link you list says the followingAgree. Here is a test I have had which is really useful in the medicate with statins (traditional or pharmaceutical), not medicate decisionmaking process. It comes with a nurse expert in the test explaining your results
https://heartmdinstitute.com/heart-...-test-cholesterol-particle-size-alternatives/
Not heard of those. Are they Jeremy Corbyn tests ?the Cardio IQ fractionizations show me at high risk.
The UK Labour Party leader, who campaingned on the above quoted slogan.I don't know who Jeremy Corbin is.
Hi @LittleGreyCat I will let you know, no problem. The consultant cost 2 lots of £120, one before and a follow-up after the CT Scan. I haven't had the bill for the CT Scan, but it's about £2k. I will let you know when they send it, but I'm not chasing it!If you don't mind, could you give a ball park cost figure for what you had done, and what it included?
One big problem with high cholesterol is establishing if it is having an adverse effect before major symptoms manifest themselves.
Have you thought of asking your GP to refer you to the Lipid Clinic ? I have been referred and am awaiting an appointments I cannot take Statins ( tried 3 different ones and all caused terrible side effects ) and although my bloods are in non diabetic range my cholesterol is 6.4 and as i have already had 2 strokes she was not happy to let me continue with cholesterol like this . My doctor seems to think I am a candidate for a new cholesterol medication Repatha which can only be prescribed by a consultant so let's see what they say . I will let you know how it goes .
Hi @LittleGreyCat , I have now finally receive my bill from the hospital - they apologised for the delay, although I am more than happy to have delayed payment!If you don't mind, could you give a ball park cost figure for what you had done, and what it included?
One big problem with high cholesterol is establishing if it is having an adverse effect before major symptoms manifest themselves.
Do you think you may be someone who has quite large variations in their cholesterol figures during the day?Hi @LittleGreyCat , I have now finally receive my bill from the hospital - they apologised for the delay, although I am more than happy to have delayed payment!
The Calcium Scoring Cardiac CT Scan cost £400 and the CT Coronary Angiogram cost £1284. This was lower than I expected, but you usually get something off when you are self-funding.
Although the results were good, it still leaves up in the air what the long-term effects of such high cholesterol are on a LCHF diet. However, since I went back onto 10mg Atorvastatin, my TC has dropped from 10.6 to 4.8 mmol/l, so I won't be part of the experiment. I am still on a ketogenic diet and all my indicators are A1.
I find it all very puzzling.
This is an old paper that I found on the subjectHi @LittleGreyCat , I have now finally receive my bill from the hospital - they apologised for the delay, although I am more than happy to have delayed payment!
The Calcium Scoring Cardiac CT Scan cost £400 and the CT Coronary Angiogram cost £1284. This was lower than I expected, but you usually get something off when you are self-funding.
Although the results were good, it still leaves up in the air what the long-term effects of such high cholesterol are on a LCHF diet. However, since I went back onto 10mg Atorvastatin, my TC has dropped from 10.6 to 4.8 mmol/l, so I won't be part of the experiment. I am still on a ketogenic diet and all my indicators are A1.
I find it all very puzzling.
Hi @bulkbiker . Thanks for the paper, which goes to show there is a great deal of variation possible, although I think I have always had my cholesterol tests first thing in the morning. But my body does seem to be very sensitive to certain influences. I also had my high scoring test repeated and got the same result. I am now down to my long-term normal level.This is an old paper that I found on the subject
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/circulationaha/22/2/247.full.pdf
Thank you I have read this before and I'm not sure what the value of artificially lowering your cholesterol for a short period is. Although, truth be told, I'm not sure what importance to put on any level of cholesterol or what effects that would have on my body.You might find this recent post by Dr Michael Eades of interest:
https://proteinpower.com/drmike/2017/07/25/how-to-lower-your-cholesterol/
I guess for all of us, it comes back to which experts we trust.Thank you I have read this before and I'm not sure what the value of artificially lowering your cholesterol for a short period is. Although, truth be told, I'm not sure what importance to put on any level of cholesterol or what effects that would have on my body.
My lipids are all in range and I intermittently fast for roughly half the year (when away working).I guess the other question to ask - how useful is a marker that is so changeable and easily modifiable?
Next time I'm due for a lipid test (for some reason my GP insists on them even though he knows I won't take statins), I plan on eating a lot of additional fat in the 3 days prior to the test to see if it makes any difference. I think mine is even higher as the result of the intermittent fasting regime I adopted about 18 months ago.
Yes, IF seems to have made a difference to mine - but I do seem to be a hyper-responder to LCHF and IF as outlined in Dr Eades blog and the results @DaveKeto has logged: "There are some old studies out there kicking around showing that people who fast actually drive their cholesterol levels up, which goes along with Dave’s theory as to mechanism. During a fast, the liver is sensing no fat coming in, so really needs to package some and send it to the tissues."My lipids are all in range and I intermittently fast for roughly half the year (when away working).
Do you think intermittent fasting drives up all the results of your lipid profile? Interested to find out
Personally, the only one of mine that changes are trigs if I eat before the bloods are drawn. My last trigs were less than half because it was fasting vs getting the bloods drawn after lunch.
Conversion to UK numbers (rounded to one decimal point) for these two graphs gives the following :I guess for all of us, it comes back to which experts we trust.
Not sure if you follow Twitter, but there's a very interesting conversation going on between Ivor Cummins and others about what a BS marker LDL is for CAD.
https://twitter.com/tednaiman/status/890203548704686081
A link worth reading:
http://www.thefatemperor.com/blog/2...-the-bad-cholesterol-thats-simplistic-foolery
Another graphic illustrating the lipids of the 136,905 patients hospitalised with CAD (unfortunately it uses US measurements):
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