Sugar vs fat documentary

[bladerfc]

Anyone watched this from the bbc didn't exactly say a lot for lchf the guy eating no sugar his blood sugar increased was surprised by it

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

How many grams of carbs a day was he eating?

 

[bladerfc]

It didn't say but it did look minimal

 

[reidpj]

Dr John Biffa critiqued it here: http://www.drbriffa.com/2014/01/30/my-take-on-the-horizon-documentary-sugar-v-fat

 

[Cl1ve]

Hi this is one of the most debated subjects with dieticians at the moment . You can find evidence to support both types of diet . I think the human body is designed to have both to function properly . I think the problem is that we just eat to much of both . So cutting down on ether will achieve weight loss. But I wonder what the long term affects of cutting out or lowering them to much will do . Iv cut down on all possessed carb and now only eat whole grain and vegetables . It has worked for me . But it may not be for some
Clive

 

[uart]

I think the human body is designed to have both to function properly . I think the problem is that we just eat to much of both.

To be honest I would change that to: "I think the human body is designed to function properly with either".

We definitely need a certain amount of protein in our diets, because it's needed for tissue repair/growth and other vital biological functions. However we can't get all of our dietary energy requirements from protein because long terms it's just too much strain on the liver and kidneys to process anything more than about half (at most) of our daily calorie requirement in protein. (The liver has to convert the amino acids in to glucose, and the kidneys have to clean up the amine byproducts of that conversion).

As long as our daily protein requirements are meet however, the bulk of our daily calories can be made up from either fats or carbs or a combination of both. Humans haven't survived and thrived in just about every region and every climate on Earth because they have highly specialist dietary requirements. It's happened because they have a very broad range of dietary possibilities.

 

[SunnyExpat]

Dr John Biffa critiqued it here: http://www.drbriffa.com/2014/01/30/my-take-on-the-horizon-documentary-sugar-v-fat

It's an interesting critique, but he doesn't seem to dispute the finding, just the method that was used. Indeed, many on here notice an upwards drift in BG on LCHF, so it's not surprising .

 

[SunnyExpat]

To be honest I would change that to: "I think the human body is designed to function properly with either".

We definitely need a certain amount of protein in our diets, because it's needed for tissue repair/growth and other vital biological functions. However we can't get all of our dietary energy requirements from protein because long terms it's just too much strain on the liver and kidneys to process anything more than about half (at most) of our daily calorie requirement in protein. (The liver has to convert the amino acids in to glucose, and the kidneys have to clean up the amine byproducts of that conversion).

As long as our daily protein requirements are meet however, the bulk of our daily calories can be made up from either fats or carbs or a combination of both. Humans haven't survived and thrived in just about every region and every climate on Earth because they have highly specialist dietary requirements. It's happened because they have a very broad range of dietary possibilities.

@NoCrbs4Me has a diet of almost entirely protein, it would be interesting to see what his views on your post are.

 

[Cl1ve]

@NoCrbs4Me has a diet of almost entirely protein, it would be interesting to see what his views on your post are.

Hi . I can't think of a any single set of people

To be honest I would change that to: "I think the human body is designed to function properly with either".

We definitely need a certain amount of protein in our diets, because it's needed for tissue repair/growth and other vital biological functions. However we can't get all of our dietary energy requirements from protein because long terms it's just too much strain on the liver and kidneys to process anything more than about half (at most) of our daily calorie requirement in protein. (The liver has to convert the amino acids in to glucose, and the kidneys have to clean up the amine byproducts of that conversion).

As long as our daily protein requirements are meet however, the bulk of our daily calories can be made up from either fats or carbs or a combination of both. Humans haven't survived and thrived in just about every region and every climate on Earth because they have highly specialist dietary requirements. It's happened because they have a very broad range of dietary possibilities.

Hi . I can't think of a single tribe of people that egoist exist on only one . Even if you only eat meat it has to be considered what the pray eat . I have a lizard once and to keep it healthy it was best to feed its food on veg. So when he eat his pray he got the vitamins and minerals he needed if you did not do this it would end up sick . If you take a look at monkeys most of there diet is vegetable mater but even monkeys will eat meat . So I don't think it is possible to survive on only one type of food . And stay health for your whole life .
Clive

 

[uart]

@NoCrbs4Me has a diet of almost entirely protein, it would be interesting to see what his views on your post are.

No he doesn't. I think it's very likely that 50% or more of his daily calories are from fats. Yes he eat essentially zero carbs, but he also eats lots of foods like bacon and eggs so don't kid yourself that this is 100% protein. Not even close.

 

[SunnyExpat]

Hi . I can't think of a any single set of people


Hi . I can't think of a single tribe of people that egoist exist on only one . Even if you only eat meat it has to be considered what the pray eat . I have a lizard once and to keep it healthy it was best to feed its food on veg. So when he eat his pray he got the vitamins and minerals he needed if you did not do this it would end up sick . If you take a look at monkeys most of there diet is vegetable mater but even monkeys will eat meat . So I don't think it is possible to survive on only one type of food . And stay health for your whole life .
Clive

That reminds me off a story about, if I remember correctly, world war two commandoes dropped in either Russia, or Finland. Initially they kept alive, just on lichen off the rocks, but soon managed to kill some deer. The meat was obviously good, but the real part of the food they wanted was the animals stomachs, and contents, for the vegetable matter to supplement their diet.

 

[SunnyExpat]

No he doesn't. I think it's very likely that about 50% or more of his daily calories are from fats. Yes he eat essentially zero carbs, but he also eats lots of foods like bacon and eggs so don't kid yourself that this is 100% protein. Not even close.

Why should I be kidding anyone? This is his diet, not mine. I sure he can advise you of the ratio of fats to protein.

 

[reidpj]

It's an interesting critique, but he doesn't seem to dispute the finding, just the method that was used. Indeed, many on here notice an upwards drift in BG on LCHF, so it's not surprising .

The comments section is a bit more enlightening - it's the results that were not given that show the obvious bias. I don't dispute that someone on a low card high(ish) protein diet could see a rise in their FBG, but was supposed to be low carb high fat.

The upward drift, is that from their FBG when they started to eat high fat?

 

[uart]

Hi . I can't think of a any single set of people that egoist exist on only one

Eskimos traditionally lived predominantly on fats and protein. As does one member here NoCrbs4Me.

Also, please note that I'm not talking about 100% carbs+protein or 100% fats+protein here in general. Merely that the bulk calories in the diet can be predominantly fat.

 

[reidpj]

Why should I be kidding anyone? This is his diet, not mine. I sure he can advise you of the ratio of fats to protein.

I believe he stated approx. 70% fat and 30% protein

 

[uart]

@NoCrbs4Me has a diet of almost entirely protein, it would be interesting to see what his views on your post are.

Why should I be kidding anyone? This is his diet, not mine. I sure he can advise you of the ratio of fats to protein.

Look I've seen his diet. He has posted details of the types of foods that he predominantly eats on several occasions. If you believe that things like that bacon and eggs are almost 100% protein and 0% fat (% by calories) then your understanding of food and nutrition is incredibly naive. Sorry to have to be so blunt about this, but this there is no room for argument here. You are quite simply wrong.

 

[SunnyExpat]

Hi . I can't think of a single tribe of people that egoist exist on only one .
Eskimos traditionally lived predominantly on fats and protein. As does one member here NoCrbs4Me.

Also, please not that I'm not talking about 100% carbs+protein or 100% fats+protein here in general. Merely that the bulk calories in the diet can be predominantly fat.

Traditional Inuit diets derive approximately 50% of their calories from fat, 30-35% from protein and 15-20% of their calories from carbohydrates.
It has been suggested that because the fats of the Inuit's wild-caught game are largely monounsaturated and rich in omega-3 fatty acids, the diet does not pose the same health risks as a typical Western high-fat diet
(but google could be wrong)

 

[uart]

I believe he stated approx. 70% fat and 30% protein

Thank you for that reidpj. I strongly suspected it would be less than 50% protein.

 

[Cl1ve]

Look I've seen his diet. He has posted details of the types of foods that he predominantly eats on several occasions. If you believe that things like that bacon and eggs are almost 100% protein and 0% fat (% by calories) then your understanding of food and nutrition is incredibly naive. Sorry to have to be so blunt about this, but this there is no room for argument here. You are quite simply wrong.

Hi . That is OK by me . I'm not saying that you can't . I'm saying in the long run I mean after years . It is not the best way to go forward
Clive

 

[Cl1ve]

That reminds me off a story about, if I remember correctly, world war two commandoes dropped in either Russia, or Finland. Initially they kept alive, just on lichen off the rocks, but soon managed to kill some deer. The meat was obviously good, but the real part of the food they wanted was the animals stomachs, and contents, for the vegetable matter to supplement their diet.

Hi thanks that was a good example
Clive