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pixiepuck

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Type of diabetes
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Diet only
Hello I was diagnosed as Type 2 diabetic two weeks ago.
Firstly I was told by the receptionist which was a bit surprising. The GP was a loccum and I had never met him before. He just said you are diabetic go away lose four stone ( I weigh 13) come back in three months. Then he added someone of your age ,48, will find it very hard to make the lifestyle changes needed.
That was it. I asked what support I would get and he told me to ring my work Occ health department.
I made my own referral to the practice Diabetic nurse who was not too happy. Still the only advice was low sugar low fat diet.

I felt abandoned but have started a mainly plant based diet and cut out all processed food. Lots of legumes, seeds, cinnamon and good fats. My energy levels have returned and lost 5lb.
Had another blood test today and receptionist.....again rings and says I need to see GP and go on statins.
I feel that it is easy to just give people pills without even asking them what they are doing to help themselves or giving them informed choices. I feel like another government target to be hit without being treated as an individual.
 
Hi pixiepuck and welcome to the forum :)

The lack of support you are experiencing is all too common unfortunately. I hope you will find this information which we give to new members to be useful to you. Ask all the questions you like and other members will come along and help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 100,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hello @pixiepuck and welcome to the forum. I known exactly how you feel. I too was informed by receptionist! But you are in the right place now. This is a brilliant forum with lots of supportive, friendly and knowledgeable people. :)
 
No monitoring has been offered as told you cannot do anything about it .
I have however managed to get my own kit.
My BM ranges from between six and seven before breakfast and is about 7.3 during the rest of the day.
Never had sugar as do not like it. Only drink water or tea with a little milk.
Have moved to unsweetened oat milk or coconut. Removed all white carbs.
It is horrible to think people are treated as being lost causes at a relatively young age.
I work for the NHS and always treat my patients as individuals and give them informed choices
Thank you so much for the figures. I now have something to work with.
 
Hi and welcome. Your treatment so far sadly isn't that unusual. You are already doing the right things. A meter will help and despite what you were told you can do a lot about your diabetes. The nurse was partially right. Yes, avoid sugar but sugar is just another carb so all carbs need to be reduced; good to see you are avoiding white flour. You don't need to go low fat. Having reduced the carbs you can make those up with veg, proteins and fats. Weight reduction really is the highest priority but the surgery could have been more helpful.
 
Hi,Pixiepuck and welcome.
You have made a great start on your own,well done.
Please take things slowly just to ensure your doing whats best for your body.
Daisy1's information is a great guide.
As we are different you will find your BG meter your best friend with regard to control.
As you work for the NHS it must be so disappointing to experience being treated so badly.
At least you have a few choices to consider on this forum.
 
Hi Pixiepuck this forum will be very informative.
I'm sure you ve read this on other posts but 3 simple things have changed my life and I am now fitter than I've been in years and feel good.
* test your blood sugars , you will see how different foods effect you
* my fitness pal app has helped me to keep track of the carbs I eat , you ll be surprised the number of carbs you can cut out.
* get more active , try different things ,there's no need for Lycra clad gyms .30 minutes activity everyday will make you want to do more . Try it for 6 weeks , I know you won't believe it but it just becomes part of your life.
 
hello and welcome
i was lucky and my gp was brilliant, he rang me at home saying he needed to see me that day and was put straight onto meds
 
Unfortunately my experience is very similar to yours my DN and GP were just dismissive of my attempts to control my diet by lowering carbs and actually said it was ridiculous. However I've lost weight, got my BS to 7s from 13 and feel better than I have in months. My 3 month check is in December so it'll be interesting what they will say then.
 
I find it so shocking how the treatment and help for T2 can be so all over the place. How is this at all helpful in giving people choices and hope? If they, the NHS/government, want to tackle this properly, they need to be looking at how inconsistent the system is....and better yet, look into what actually works.

So sorry you've had such a rubbish experience thus far. Hope that this forum can help make you feel more empowered about what you can achieve and give you some good support.

Kirst
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P.S I'm new too....so don't feel I can offer much advice yet but hopefully support if needed.
 
Hello I was diagnosed as Type 2 diabetic two weeks ago.
Firstly I was told by the receptionist which was a bit surprising. The GP was a loccum and I had never met him before. He just said you are diabetic go away lose four stone ( I weigh 13) come back in three months. Then he added someone of your age ,48, will find it very hard to make the lifestyle changes needed.
That was it. I asked what support I would get and he told me to ring my work Occ health department.
I made my own referral to the practice Diabetic nurse who was not too happy. Still the only advice was low sugar low fat diet.

I felt abandoned but have started a mainly plant based diet and cut out all processed food. Lots of legumes, seeds, cinnamon and good fats. My energy levels have returned and lost 5lb.
Had another blood test today and receptionist.....again rings and says I need to see GP and go on statins.
I feel that it is easy to just give people pills without even asking them what they are doing to help themselves or giving them informed choices. I feel like another government target to be hit without being treated as an individual.
Hello and welcome , you will get lots of support here as you have already found out ...:)
Do you feel able to go back to your gp in a few weeks with a list of questions of information ...that you may want more answers on ..
Sorry you have had this experience ...just not acceptable is it ...
Are there any more gp,s at your health centre ...you could see another gp ..did you have two hba1c tests to confirm ....that seems to be best practice ..I am just thinking out loud ...well done on your weight loss , I feel,saddened that your gp handed over your health to the people you are employed by , that does not sound right , yes they can be involved , but the management should really come from your gp ...have you been offered any courses to go on ....statins ..well mixed views ...I take mine ...let us know how you get on ....Kat
 
Hello and welcome , you will get lots of support here as you have already found out ...:)
Do you feel able to go back to your gp in a few weeks with a list of questions of information ...that you may want more answers on ..
Sorry you have had this experience ...just not acceptable is it ...
Are there any more gp,s at your health centre ...you could see another gp ..did you have two hba1c tests to confirm ....that seems to be best practice ..I am just thinking out loud ...well done on your weight loss , I feel,saddened that your gp handed over your health to the people you are employed by , that does not sound right , yes they can be involved , but the management should really come from your gp ...have you been offered any courses to go on ....statins ..well mixed views ...I take mine ...let us know how you get on ....Kat
Hi Kat100.
I work for an NHS Trust and our occ health has been privitised and only send a letter to my manager. I asked them what I should do for support and was told speak to your line manager from now on.
Will be seeing another Doctor from now on. Receptionist told me I need to go on statins but going to see if the other GP will give me 6 months on my clean diet. If that works then I have saved myself from potential side effects as I am doing weight training as my primary activity
 
I got all the info I need to help me control my bs from the lovely people on here . Read read and read some more .
 
Hi Kat100.
I work for an NHS Trust and our occ health has been privitised and only send a letter to my manager. I asked them what I should do for support and was told speak to your line manager from now on.
Will be seeing another Doctor from now on. Receptionist told me I need to go on statins but going to see if the other GP will give me 6 months on my clean diet. If that works then I have saved myself from potential side effects as I am doing weight training as my primary activity
Hi @pixiepuck really glad you are seeing a new Gp. :)
I know about nhs OH being private. ;)
And I also believe that everyone deserves the best care , whether they work,for the nhs or not ....
You are entitled to the best care ...along with equality for all , it is just the battle getting it ....
Hope you get more help with gp appointment ....being told to loose weight is ok but often the cause maybe hereditary or from another cause etc ...
Hope you have a good line manager ...who will assist you with a good duty of care ....
Take care and stay positive .....best wishes ...Kat
 
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