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T2 diagnosed in need of help please

JennyH

Member
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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Since diagnosis I have been treated with Metformin twice daily and the obligatory statin. I had the foot inspection / scan, blood pressure checks and the retinopathy appointment and was referred to the DESMOND program (still waiting for this) "We do not supply a monitor as T2's on metformin do not have hypos said the diabetic nurse". I have experienced lows and upon speaking with Diabetes UK helpline it was expertly explained to me that I was experiencing pseudo hypos which was quite a frightening and confusing time. I now carry glucose tablets and a keep 5 jelly babies in my car and work desk etc for future prevention. Adjusting the diet seemed to be working well with taking the medication however over Christmas i think am recognising high sugar symptoms and I am not too sure how to deal with them. I drink plenty of water, eat as I thought sensibly and now wonder where i am going wrong. I would love to prove to myself the symptoms I experience are levels of highs and lows and have applied for the free monitor draw today, I believe this with help me to learn, equate and control my diabetes. Is there a T2 diet - factsheet - guideline available or a recommended cookbook for me to study and follow until I get myself under control. I cannot just sit back and rely on Metformin I want to be in control of my diabetes not it in control of me. thank you in anticipation.:-)
 
Your in the best pkace here. Have a read round and you'll find some fab advice here. If you post to the newly diagnosed page you'll get Daisys post about how carbs affects diabetics.

Good luck, and testing is a great idea :)
 
hi, welcome,metformin will have a positive effect but not much, you have to get a meter, if the doctor wont prescribe one do you have the means to buy one? the strips are expensive, if i remember right itll work out about £30 from the chemist for a meter and some strips, then you would have to buy replacement strips but just the first ones with the meter will give you an idea about what your bloods are doing during your episodes, without a testing meter its impossible to say :(
 
i never saw a fact sheet or diet sheet that wasnt nonsense :( sorry

you would be much better off reading through some posts on the forum as mentioned
 
Hi Jenny

Loads of companies will give you a monitor for free but the test strips can be costly. One of the cheapest options is to buy an SD Codefree monitor (amazon are good) and the test strips for this work out about one third of the price of others.

Without checking your blood levels you will have no idea how you are doing.
Meanwhile take a look at your diet, lose weight if you need to and increase exercise more if you can, any questions please shout out.
It's a really supportive place to be

Cara
 
hi, welcome,metformin will have a positive effect but not much, you have to get a meter, if the doctor wont prescribe one do you have the means to buy one? the strips are expensive, if i remember right itll work out about £30 from the chemist for a meter and some strips, then you would have to buy replacement strips but just the first ones with the meter will give you an idea about what your bloods are doing during your episodes, without a testing meter its impossible to say :(
Thanks Andy its as I thought I do need a monitor, I am in limbo with this without one :-( can you recommend a decent T2 diabetic cookbook or diet to follow as guidance?
 
Hi Jenny and welcome to the forum:)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 70,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
As Lenny says, try to reduce the amount of carbs you eat. Exercise will also help to lower BG levels. Doesn't need to be too arduous, a walk is sufficient. Get the BG monitor is the easy bit, most companies give them away free. The pain is the cost of the test strips. If you have the funds, buy some and just test as much as your budget will allow. Ideally, before meals and bed. Ideally, this should be funded by the NHS but sadly not. Good luck !
Mo
 
Hi Jenny

Loads of companies will give you a monitor for free but the test strips can be costly. One of the cheapest options is to buy an SD Codefree monitor (amazon are good) and the test strips for this work out about one third of the price of others.

Without checking your blood levels you will have no idea how you are doing.
Meanwhile take a look at your diet, lose weight if you need to and increase exercise more if you can, any questions please shout out.
It's a really supportive place to be

Cara
I need help with the diet. Its not just cutting down on sugars and sweet stuff is it , carbs to consider, fruit and veg contain natural sugar, its very confusing initially and so much to consider. A very steep learning curve for me to enable a healthier lifestyle and future.
 
As Lenny says, try to reduce the amount of carbs you eat. Exercise will also help to lower BG levels. Doesn't need to be too arduous, a walk is sufficient. Get the BG monitor is the easy bit, most companies give them away free. The pain is the cost of the test strips. If you have the funds, buy some and just test as much as your budget will allow. Ideally, before meals and bed. Ideally, this should be funded by the NHS but sadly not. Good luck !
Mo
thank you
 
Hi Jenny and welcome to the forum:)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 70,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
thank you
 
cook books are ok but out of 1000 recipes you will find 2 that are good, i would look on the recipe thread on here, but a general rule to eating is cut down or reduce rice, pasta, potatoes, bread and sugar, if you have a search for the GI diet this is a good guide and most important try to eat natural, the more they process food the worse it seems to get, so lots of vegetables, salads and meat, if you like baking have a look at www.diabeticgoodbaking.com if eating lots of fruits try to reduce the amounts, fruit if full of goodness....and sugar try to stick to berries, but until you have a meter to test you have no way to tell what certain foods do to your blood glucose levels

ask any questions you have here, someone will be able to help im sure :)
 
I found the book Carbs and Cals really helpful, it gives fat and fibre as well as calories and carbohydrates. It also has pictures of food and portion sizes. I thought that was a bit of a gimmick but it was actually useful.

If you want to post a few sample meals you will get some comments and advice from forum members. We can be a nosy lot!

Cara
 
yes you are right about the carbs, carbs as far as our bodies are concerned glucose, the less you put in the less you have floating about
 
I've found the best cook book is by finding recipes on here printing them off and I put them in a binder.
 
Your in the best pkace here. Have a read round and you'll find some fab advice here. If you post to the newly diagnosed page you'll get Daisys post about how carbs affects diabetics.

Good luck, and testing is a great idea :)
thankyou Lenny
 
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