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<blockquote data-quote="Chris24Main" data-source="post: 2687865" data-attributes="member: 585131"><p>On the topic of visceral fat - I had been on a three year journey to lose weight - at the end I was 76kg and I was doing a lot of paddleboarding - the kind where you really engage the core (ie actual excercise, not just pootling) - and felt like my belly was as flat as any 50 odd year old should want. I always though that a 6-pack was an unnecessary vanity. </p><p></p><p>But for me, the belly was the last thing to go - and yes we are all different, but it's also to do with what we are told is 'good' excercise... </p><p></p><p>I mean - I'm really no expert on this at all, but the basics I've picked up in the last couple of months all go... </p><p>1 - despite what we are told about dietary fat, ALL carbs beyond what you need at that moment and all fructose and alcohol is turned into fat in the form of trigliceride and first stored in the liver, between the organs, the muscles, then fat cells - Ie, you fill up from the inside out.</p><p>2 - Aerobic and cardio excercise burns glucose. As you work the muscles - you clearly tone, and that is having the effect of pulling triglycerides out of muscle storage, converting back to glucose - I'm almost certainly over-simplifying, but essentially most excercise ends up emptying you from the outside in.</p><p>3 - depending on how you are eating, you may be always in fat storage mode, making it increasingly difficult to get into fat burning.</p><p>4 - as you do more and eat less, your body will compensate by dialing down your metabolism, by an amout that is really quite significant.</p><p></p><p>So - my thought was - let's test this - try for short sharp shocks - 36hour fasts and 15 min high resistance excercise. I still do as much paddleboarding as I can, but that's as much for mental health as anything else (meaning, I just love to be out on the river, it does me the world of good beyond simple excercise). But - aim for autophagy in fasting and anaerobic excercise - try to encourage my body to become as metabolically flexible as possible, because I know how hard the 'just do a little more' lifestile gets..</p><p></p><p>And - I don't think I've done this long enough to say anything with any sense of confidence - for sure my weight has dropped away, and my belly has emptied like a ballon.. I've been doing quite a lot of plank work, and it's pretty shocking the loose folds of skin around my belly button - but I'm also a big fan of the Slendertone products, and that's coming down... </p><p></p><p>But it is hard work to keep doing all the things. For example, I've just had a few days holiday, so I've eaten normally for four days running, and can see my weight going up every day.. which I expect, but I can see that this kind of obsessive daily measurement regime is not a great way to live ... and there is a fine line to tread; my daughter is recovering from an eating disorder, and there are obvious dangers there...</p><p></p><p>I'm sure this forum is littered with people who had targets and plenty of motivation for a couple of months - I don't want to just drop my blood glucose and serum lipids for a month or two, I want to strive for a way of life that gives me the best overall health, and a sense of enjoying life, eating, and having a sense of being at peace with myself. I know I can put in effort to achieve a target, but I also know that once that target drops away, I'm still there....</p><p></p><p>So - I guess I'm saying that I'm aware that this isn't a short term thing - even if I can whip my own measurements into remission, there is nothing stopping me going around the whole cycle again, unless I make systemic changes, which may not need to be so drastic, but do need to stick...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chris24Main, post: 2687865, member: 585131"] On the topic of visceral fat - I had been on a three year journey to lose weight - at the end I was 76kg and I was doing a lot of paddleboarding - the kind where you really engage the core (ie actual excercise, not just pootling) - and felt like my belly was as flat as any 50 odd year old should want. I always though that a 6-pack was an unnecessary vanity. But for me, the belly was the last thing to go - and yes we are all different, but it's also to do with what we are told is 'good' excercise... I mean - I'm really no expert on this at all, but the basics I've picked up in the last couple of months all go... 1 - despite what we are told about dietary fat, ALL carbs beyond what you need at that moment and all fructose and alcohol is turned into fat in the form of trigliceride and first stored in the liver, between the organs, the muscles, then fat cells - Ie, you fill up from the inside out. 2 - Aerobic and cardio excercise burns glucose. As you work the muscles - you clearly tone, and that is having the effect of pulling triglycerides out of muscle storage, converting back to glucose - I'm almost certainly over-simplifying, but essentially most excercise ends up emptying you from the outside in. 3 - depending on how you are eating, you may be always in fat storage mode, making it increasingly difficult to get into fat burning. 4 - as you do more and eat less, your body will compensate by dialing down your metabolism, by an amout that is really quite significant. So - my thought was - let's test this - try for short sharp shocks - 36hour fasts and 15 min high resistance excercise. I still do as much paddleboarding as I can, but that's as much for mental health as anything else (meaning, I just love to be out on the river, it does me the world of good beyond simple excercise). But - aim for autophagy in fasting and anaerobic excercise - try to encourage my body to become as metabolically flexible as possible, because I know how hard the 'just do a little more' lifestile gets.. And - I don't think I've done this long enough to say anything with any sense of confidence - for sure my weight has dropped away, and my belly has emptied like a ballon.. I've been doing quite a lot of plank work, and it's pretty shocking the loose folds of skin around my belly button - but I'm also a big fan of the Slendertone products, and that's coming down... But it is hard work to keep doing all the things. For example, I've just had a few days holiday, so I've eaten normally for four days running, and can see my weight going up every day.. which I expect, but I can see that this kind of obsessive daily measurement regime is not a great way to live ... and there is a fine line to tread; my daughter is recovering from an eating disorder, and there are obvious dangers there... I'm sure this forum is littered with people who had targets and plenty of motivation for a couple of months - I don't want to just drop my blood glucose and serum lipids for a month or two, I want to strive for a way of life that gives me the best overall health, and a sense of enjoying life, eating, and having a sense of being at peace with myself. I know I can put in effort to achieve a target, but I also know that once that target drops away, I'm still there.... So - I guess I'm saying that I'm aware that this isn't a short term thing - even if I can whip my own measurements into remission, there is nothing stopping me going around the whole cycle again, unless I make systemic changes, which may not need to be so drastic, but do need to stick... [/QUOTE]
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